> Hi Steg!
>
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> instead of conlang@.
>
>> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 22:45:57 +0200
>> Sender: Constructed Languages List <CONLANG@...>
>> From: Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...>
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2005, at 9:33 PM, Steven Williams wrote:
>>> --- "David J. Peterson" <dedalvs@...> schrieb:
>>>> Mark Jones wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This seems totally counterintuitive to me,
>>>> because...
>>>> Steven wrote:
>>>> <<IIRC, it used to be a voiced lateral fricative
>>>> [K\].>>
>>>> I've *never* heard of that latter fact (seems
>>>> totally bizarre to me)
>>
>>> It surprised me, too. In at least two books, one on
>>> the proto-Semitic sound system, and another on the
>>> glottalic theory of PIE, they state that the likely
>>> source of [D_g] is [K\_g] or plain [K\] (am I using
>>> the right symbol, [K\], for a voiced lateral
>>> fricative?).
>>> It does seem like it would be possible, but then
>>> again, I'm no expert on proto-Semitic.
>>
>> According to the chart i have here:
>> Proto-Semitic » Arabic
>> /T>/ »» /D_g/
>> /K>/ »» /d_g/
>> /t>/ »» /t_g/
>> /ts)>/ »» /s_g/
>> /k>/ »» /q/
>>
>> (with />/ for 'generic emphaticness' and /_g/ for 'pharyngealized')
>>
>> For comparison...
>> Hebrew:
>> /T>/ + /ts)>/ + /K>/ »» /ts)>/
>> /t>/ »» /t>/
>> /k>/ »» /k>/
>>
>> My Semiticonlang:
>> /T>/ + /K>/ »» /p_>/
>> /t>/ + /ts)>/ »» /t_>/
>> /k>/ »» /k_>/
>>
>> (with /_>/ for 'ejective')
>>
>>> Indeed, [D] and [D_g] sound almost identical. I can't
>>> tell the difference myself, if it weren't for the
>>> effect that the emphatics have on vowels.
>>
>> /D/ and /D_g/ sound very distinct to me. They also feel very
>> different
>> when i pronounce them.
>>
>>
>> -Stephen (Steg)
>> "/als>ajf kasajf abjad>/..."
>> ~ /sa:li: kajfz/
>>
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