Re: markjjones@HOTMAIL.COM

Hi Steg!

Did you want to send this to the list?  You sent it to owner-conlang@
instead of conlang@.

> Date:         Sun, 6 Mar 2005 22:45:57 +0200
> Sender: Constructed Languages List <CONLANG@...>
> From: Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...>
>
> On Mar 6, 2005, at 9:33 PM, Steven Williams wrote:
> >  --- "David J. Peterson" <dedalvs@...> schrieb:
> >> Mark Jones wrote:
> >>
> >> This seems totally counterintuitive to me,
> >> because...
> >> Steven wrote:
> >> <<IIRC, it used to be a voiced lateral fricative
> >> [K\].>>
> >> I've *never* heard of that latter fact (seems
> >> totally bizarre to me)
>
> > It surprised me, too. In at least two books, one on
> > the proto-Semitic sound system, and another on the
> > glottalic theory of PIE, they state that the likely
> > source of [D_g] is [K\_g] or plain [K\] (am I using
> > the right symbol, [K\], for a voiced lateral
> > fricative?).
> > It does seem like it would be possible, but then
> > again, I'm no expert on proto-Semitic.
>
> According to the chart i have here:
> Proto-Semitic » Arabic
> /T>/ »» /D_g/
> /K>/ »» /d_g/
> /t>/ »» /t_g/
> /ts)>/ »» /s_g/
> /k>/ »» /q/
>
> (with />/ for 'generic emphaticness' and /_g/ for 'pharyngealized')
>
> For comparison...
> Hebrew:
> /T>/ + /ts)>/ + /K>/ »» /ts)>/
> /t>/ »» /t>/
> /k>/ »» /k>/
>
> My Semiticonlang:
> /T>/ + /K>/ »» /p_>/
> /t>/ + /ts)>/ »» /t_>/
> /k>/ »» /k_>/
>
> (with /_>/ for 'ejective')
>
> > Indeed, [D] and [D_g] sound almost identical. I can't
> > tell the difference myself, if it weren't for the
> > effect that the emphatics have on vowels.
>
> /D/ and /D_g/ sound very distinct to me.  They also feel very different
> when i pronounce them.
>
>
> -Stephen (Steg)
>   "/als>ajf kasajf abjad>/..."
>       ~ /sa:li: kajfz/
>
Bye,
  Henrik

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