Re: markjjones@HOTMAIL.COM
| From: | Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...> |
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| Date: | Sunday, March 6, 2005, 20:30 |
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On Mar 6, 2005, at 9:33 PM, Steven Williams wrote:
> --- "David J. Peterson" <dedalvs@...> schrieb:
>> Mark Jones wrote:
>>
>> This seems totally counterintuitive to me,
>> because...
>> Steven wrote:
>> <<IIRC, it used to be a voiced lateral fricative
>> [K\].>>
>> I've *never* heard of that latter fact (seems
>> totally bizarre to me)
> It surprised me, too. In at least two books, one on
> the proto-Semitic sound system, and another on the
> glottalic theory of PIE, they state that the likely
> source of [D_g] is [K\_g] or plain [K\] (am I using
> the right symbol, [K\], for a voiced lateral
> fricative?).
> It does seem like it would be possible, but then
> again, I'm no expert on proto-Semitic.
According to the chart i have here:
Proto-Semitic » Arabic
/T>/ »» /D_g/
/K>/ »» /d_g/
/t>/ »» /t_g/
/ts)>/ »» /s_g/
/k>/ »» /q/
(with />/ for 'generic emphaticness' and /_g/ for 'pharyngealized')
For comparison...
Hebrew:
/T>/ + /ts)>/ + /K>/ »» /ts)>/
/t>/ »» /t>/
/k>/ »» /k>/
My Semiticonlang:
/T>/ + /K>/ »» /p_>/
/t>/ + /ts)>/ »» /t_>/
/k>/ »» /k_>/
(with /_>/ for 'ejective')
> Indeed, [D] and [D_g] sound almost identical. I can't
> tell the difference myself, if it weren't for the
> effect that the emphatics have on vowels.
/D/ and /D_g/ sound very distinct to me. They also feel very different
when i pronounce them.
-Stephen (Steg)
"/als>ajf kasajf abjad>/..."
~ /sa:li: kajfz/
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