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Re: rhotics (was Hellenish oddities)

From:Yoon Ha Lee <yl112@...>
Date:Wednesday, December 6, 2000, 4:17
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, BP Jonsson wrote:

> At 11:14 2000-12-03 -0500, Yoon Ha Lee wrote: > > >When I'm reading at home and see a word with an "r" in it I've taken to > >wriggling my tongue tip trying to see it with the trill. :-) > > Does it help you to visualize the proper oral gymnastics? I've found it > does so for me with new sounds.
Looking at diagrams helps. Actually sitting there and visualizing things helps not at all, mainly because I can't visualize to save my life (and yes, I know I'm a minority). *Feeling* where my tongue should be and what it should be doing in slow motion helps.
> A thought: maybe what method(s) helps you produce a trill depends on what > kinds of similar sounds there are in your native language. It occurs to me > that my founetiks teacher's method maybe presupposes that ones natural /d/ > is dental or post-dental rather than alveolar, as is usu the case with > Swedes, or maybe that your usual /r/ is a rather strident retroflex fricative.
It wouldn't surprise me; I imagine this applies to learning sounds in general! YHL