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Re: Homosexuality and gender identity

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Wednesday, May 28, 2003, 10:21
En réponse à Henrik Theiling :

>Hi! > >Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...> writes: > > that person. For instance, even a "mädchen" is "sie" in Standard German, > > not "es"! :) ). > >Only for younger people. It changed towards that pronoun in the last >two decades or so.
Ah, OK. I only know how it was explained in my Teach Yourself German :)) .
>Yes, exactly. One of the very, very few words that really has a >different gender is 'Weib', the old word for 'woman', which is neuter. >Nowadays that's derogatory. Actually, I could not come up with >another good example.
The only examples I could find are animal nouns which don't change for gender of the animal (or does German have pairs of nouns for all animals?). And even then, I don't consider it really an exception as for human beings the sex of only a few animals does matter.
>Also, I would not count the examples of derogatory words that often >use the opposite gender either to exactly be insulting (e.g. towards >gay people) or simple because a word with a different gender in used >(e.g. 'Schwein' (neuter) - 'pig') to refer to humans.
Indeed. We have here a transfer of use of a noun.
> > But if you take simple roots rather than compounds, their > > grammatical gender is always the same as the natural gender, > >No, that's too strong for my taste. Gender *is* grammatical in German >instead of logical.
Never said anything else.
> You should use 'usually' in that sentence. It is >not strange at all to refer to humans using words with non-fitting >gender.
But as you said, it's usually words that originally refer to something else, or rare things like ""Mädchen" or "Weib". Christophe Grandsire. http://rainbow.conlang.free.fr You need a straight mind to invent a twisted conlang.

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