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Re: Aspects vs. Tenses in an All-Out Grudge Match!

From:Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...>
Date:Sunday, August 22, 1999, 3:05
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:22:47 -0700 Jim Grossmann <steven@...>
writes:
> >Isn't present perfect used instead of simple past in some languages? > >Jim >
Yiddish's simple past is what looks like a present perfect...."have"+participle. "have" = hobn: hob / host / hot / hobn / hot / hobn ix endig = i finish ix hob geendigt = i finished / i have finished du geist = you go du host gegangen = you went / you have gone As far as i remember from class, this is both the "simple past" and the "present perfect" (although my teacher didn't use any terms nearly that technical). I think someone mentioned on Conlang a while ago that German uses a 'real' past tense. Does it also use its form of _hobn_ to make a present perfect? ANOTHER MESSAGE: In a message dated 8/21/1999 12:23:28 AM, steven@OLYWA.NET writes:
>>Isn't present perfect used instead of simple past in some languages?
>Yes, in French for example, except in some literature, and......
maybe=20
>sometimes in Italian..... I can't remember anymore. :-( > >I wonder why in French, some verbs use one auxiliary (avoir-to have)
and=20
>others (around 20 intransitives) use another (=EAtre-to be). Actually,
didn'=
>t=20 English do this too at one point?
Yiddish does this. Contrast the above verbs with: "be" = zain: bin / bist / iz / zainen / zait / zainen mir zainen = we are mir zainen geven = we were er kumt = he comes er iz gekumen = he came -Stephen (Steg) "hhalomot zeh b'emet" ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.