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Re: Aspects vs. Tenses in an All-Out Grudge Match!

From:FFlores <fflores@...>
Date:Saturday, August 21, 1999, 16:43
Josh Roth <Fuscian@...> wrote:
>=20 > I wonder why in French, some verbs use one auxiliary (avoir-to have) an=
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> others (around 20 intransitives) use another (=EAtre-to be). Actually, =
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> English do this too at one point?
I think the =EAtre-verbs are all experiencial <sp?> verbs, or maybe verbs that carry some degree of 'middle voice'... In Spanish those verbs are all conjugated with _haber_ 'to have' but they usually take a pseudo-reflexive pronoun. French: _je suis tomb=E9_ 'I am fallen' Spanish: _yo me ca=ED_ 'I fell *myself' or _yo me he ca=EDdo_ 'I have fal= len', while just stative is _yo estoy ca=EDdo_ 'I am fallen'. I don't really remember more =EAtre-verbs from French... Is it _avoir venu_ or _=EAtre venu_? --Pablo Flores