Re: OT: French/English etymology question: "sauf"/"save"

Quoting Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>:

> At 00:42 7.12.2003, Andreas Johansson wrote:
>
> >Tangentially, I'd always thout using |^| to indicate what in IPA are
> >superscripts would be huge improvement, aesthetically and mnemonically, for
> >CXS and X-SAMPA.
>
> I agree.  I'n my (incomplete) scheme for coding
> Ladefoged's feature system in ASCII (by design
> rather similar to X-SAMPA, but not a transliteration
> of the IPA) I used ^ to denote '-ized' features, so
> that e.g. ^j was 'palatalized' while _j was palatal.
Cool. If it's available in vaguely readable electronic format, I'd love to see
it, incomplete or not.

I've sketched quite a few IPA-ASCII and other ASCII-phonetics schemes over the
last few years, and altho none's ever reached a point where it's felt
meaningful to present it to anyone, they've all included ^ to introduce
diacritics/superscripts.

> > > I also use /8/ as the phonemic symbol in X-SAMPA/CXS.
> > >
> > > For what its worth I arrange the Swedish vowel
> > > phonemes in a quadrangular like so:
> > >
> > > i   y     u
> > >
> > > e   u     å
> > >
> > > ä   ö     a
> > >
> > > which may seem over-idealized from the POV of
> > > your 'lect.
> >
> >Indeed! BTW, I assume that upper right "u" is meant to be an "o"?
>
>
> Ooops yes, it should'a been:
>
>   i   y     o
>
>   e   u     å
>
>   ä   ö     a
>
> But tell me, would you like this better?
>
> i   y          o
>
>     e   ö   u   å
>
>        ä      a
>
> I dislike it since it totally lacks symmetry.
Actually yes. Rather assymmetry than overidealization!

Going by the 18-phoneme interpretation, I've got 6-8 high vowels (depending on
how you count /8:/ [u\:] and /8/ [8]), which I guess is worrying!

                                                        Andreas