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Re: (LONG) Sketch by a novice, please criticize/help/flame/etc

From:Nik Taylor <fortytwo@...>
Date:Monday, September 13, 1999, 22:59
Paul Bennett wrote:
> Orthographic ASCII-IPA > Front Mid Back Fr Md Bk > Plosive p k t p k t > Aspirate ph kh th p_h k_h t_h > Nasal m n ng m n N > Sibilant s s' c s S tS > Liquid w r y w * j
Interesting. However, why is /n/ classified in the same group as /k/, and /N/ with /t/? Is that a typo?
> Open i e a i e a > Closed u e" o V @ O
Cool, I use =EB for schwa in Common Kass=ED (the ancestor of Watakass=ED = and Eastern) Somewhat unusual phonology, tho. V and @ are very similar sounds, and since there's only 6 (excluding length), it seems unreasonable to make such a narrow distinction. {u} would, IMHO, best represent /u/. Of course, then it would be *almost* Common Kass=ED vowel system (with the exception that CK used /o/ rather than /O/) :-) It's not very common (altho it does occur) to have a pair like /e/ and /O/, that is, more normal would be /e/ and /o/, or /E/ and /O/, but, then again, there's no rule that it has to be "normal"! :-) By the way, you can find ASCII-IPA at http://www.cs.brown.edu/~dpb/ascii-ipa.html, most of us use the SAMPA system, more or less
> The sound s' appears to possibly have allophones in /S/ and /ts/, > although this is possibly an archaism.
Little nitpick: allophones go in brackets, that is, [S]. [S] and [ts] are unusual allophones for one phoneme. [ts] would be more likely an allophone of /tS/
> ng n-hook
Do you mean the same symbol as in IPA?
> NS NP VI VC LX > Minimal su susnge" sungse" sunguse" su(nge") > Reduced ame arme amre amare ame(r) > Regular taki tatki takti takati taki > Extended moru motru mortu morotu moru(t)
What do "minimal", "reduced", "regular", and "extended" mean?
> Locationals >=20 > -a- Near > -o- Far > -e"- Obscure > -u- Apparent > -e- Probable/Beleived > -i- Improbable/Disbelieved
How are the last four related to location?
> >Evidential > khu - definately true > khe" - seemingly/probably/partly true > ye" - indeterminate truth/falsehood > the" - seemingly/probably/partly false > thu - definately false
Groovy. However, evidential usually contains something like "sensory" or "visual", "cognitave" (using reason), and the like - that is, indicating *how* you came to the knowledge. --=20 "If all Printers were determin'd not to print any thing till they were sure it would offend no body, there would be very little printed" - Benjamin Franklin http://members.tripod.com/~Nik_Taylor/X-Files/ http://members.tripod.com/~Nik_Taylor/Books.html ICQ #: 18656696 AIM screen-name: NikTailor