Re: (LONG) Sketch by a novice, please criticize/help/flame/etc

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I can't (meaningfully) reply inside the body of what I'm replying to until I
learn the way round this mailer, but here goes...

e" for schwa actually comes from a brief reading about the Albanian alphabet.

Yes, /N/,/t/ and /n/,/k/ are orrible tyops, as is the classification of /t/ as
further back than /k/  The proper arrangement should be
p  t  k
ph th kh
m  n  ng
(rest of table as is)

With hindsight, I agree with you about /u/ for {u}, I slapped IPA values onto
what was previously a purely written lang over the space of about 30 seconds
last night.

[ts] and [S] being allophones agrees with a (here undocumented) classification
as "hard s"

n-hoook is indeed the IPA symbol, as there is no g in the orthography I felt I
could get away with this orthographic convention.

"minimal" (etc) are coined ("native") terms that refer purely to the number of
phones (roughly) in the NS form of the root

"Locationals" is an early term, I started with -a- and -o-, the vowels -e"- and
-u- originally meant "within (or outside) ones (physical) grasp", but got
extended, -e- and -i- simply fall into the same "slot" in a word and got tarred
with the same brush :-)

As to Evidentials, these particles are parts of a word or affix that gives
evidentiality (see "takhum" etc in the examples), as to what to call them on
their own, I really don't know.  Truthificators??? :-)





Nik Taylor <fortytwo@...> on 09/13/99 11:59:45 PM

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Paul Bennett wrote:
>          Orthographic      ASCII-IPA
>          Front Mid  Back   Fr  Md  Bk
> Plosive  p     k    t      p   k   t
> Aspirate ph    kh   th     p_h k_h t_h
> Nasal    m     n    ng     m   n   N
> Sibilant s     s'   c      s   S   tS
> Liquid   w     r    y      w   *   j
Interesting.  However, why is /n/ classified in the same group as /k/,
and /N/ with /t/?  Is that a typo?

> Open     i     e    a      i   e   a
> Closed   u     e"   o      V   @   O
Cool, I use =EB for schwa in Common Kass=ED (the ancestor of Watakass=ED=
 and
Eastern)

Somewhat unusual phonology, tho.  V and @ are very similar sounds, and
since there's only 6 (excluding length), it seems unreasonable to make
such a narrow distinction.  {u} would, IMHO, best represent /u/.  Of
course, then it would be *almost* Common Kass=ED vowel system (with the=

exception that CK used /o/ rather than /O/) :-)  It's not very common
(altho it does occur) to have a pair like /e/ and /O/, that is, more
normal would be /e/ and /o/, or /E/ and /O/, but, then again, there's n=
o
rule that it has to be "normal"!  :-)

By the way, you can find ASCII-IPA at
http://www.cs.brown.edu/~dpb/ascii-ipa.html, most of us use the SAMPA
system, more or less

> The sound s' appears to possibly have allophones in /S/ and /ts/,
> although this is possibly an archaism.
Little nitpick: allophones go in brackets, that is, [S].  [S] and [ts]
are unusual allophones for one phoneme.  [ts] would be more likely an
allophone of /tS/

> ng n-hook
Do you mean the same symbol as in IPA?

>          NS   NP      VI      VC       LX
> Minimal  su   susnge" sungse" sunguse" su(nge")
> Reduced  ame  arme    amre    amare    ame(r)
> Regular  taki tatki   takti   takati   taki
> Extended moru motru   mortu   morotu   moru(t)
What do "minimal", "reduced", "regular", and "extended" mean?

> Locationals
>
> -a-   Near
> -o-   Far
> -e"-  Obscure
> -u-   Apparent
> -e-   Probable/Beleived
> -i-   Improbable/Disbelieved
How are the last four related to location?

> >Evidential
> khu  - definately true
> khe" - seemingly/probably/partly true
> ye"  - indeterminate truth/falsehood
> the" - seemingly/probably/partly false
> thu  - definately false
Groovy.  However, evidential usually contains something like "sensory"
or "visual", "cognitave" (using reason), and the like - that is,
indicating *how* you came to the knowledge.

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