Re: Yogh (was Re: y sound)

From: "Isaac Penzev" <isaacp@...>

> The same source says it was a common practice to use KA, EL and EN +
> apostrophe instead of proper characters "WITH HOOK" in print, e.g. in
> newspapers till 1990s.
Ugh, I see an apostrophe and I assume glottalization/ejectiveness by default
(the job of palochka). Why not just use hard sign instead?

> And what did you mean by "Cyrillic <y>"
I meant <l>, or _el'_. Been a dyslexifest for me lately.

> Acc. to Esa Anttikoski (unf., this page is avalibale only in Ru., I hope
> you'll be able to figure out the langs names):
I picked them out...

Мансийский = Mansi (Uralic > Finno-Ugric > Ugric)
Селькупский = Sel'kup (Uralic > Samoyedic)
Кетский = Ket (Yenisseian)
Нивхский = Nivkh (Isolate)
эскимосский = Eskimo (actually Siberian Yupik)
Ительменский = Itelmen (Chukchi-Kamchatkan)
чукотский = Chukot (Chukchi-Kamchatkan)
Ненецкий = Nenets (Uralic > Samoyedic)

[clipped Cyrillic capital and small letters]

The macron vowels are obviously the long vowels of Uralic. A-ring I'm not
sure about, but I'm thinking a low back round vowel if it's anything like
Scandinavian. And I believe Y (the "61 vowel") is a lower, more backed vowel
in Uralic than in Russian, more like Estonian O (O-tilde), or the same
Cyrillic letter's value in Tatar.

G-hook is probably /G\/, G-stroke is /G/, and G-stroke-hook is /R/ -- either
that's Yupik or Nivkh, but I'm not sure.

L-hook, that letter I thought was so cool... as you said is /K/, rather than
*/L/. The former makes more sense for a Paleosiberian language.

I've seen OE-ligature in one of Everson's Unicode proposals, and I'm not
sure what that is... a low front rounded vowel, the rounded counterpart of
AE-ligature?

R-caron makes me think of Czech, but I don't think that's what it represents
in Cyrillic.

H-hook is probably /X/ (uvular counterpart of plain H = /x/). Maybe H-stroke
is the same thing.

A single dot above E (reversed)? I'm lost on that one.

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