Re: Yogh (was Re: y sound)

Isaac Penzev wrote:
> David Starner gir'h:
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>>On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 01:42:41PM +0300, Isaac Penzev wrote:
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>>>Acc. to Esa Anttikoski (unf., this page is avalibale only in Ru., I hope
>>>you'll be able to figure out the langs names):
>>>
>>>Буквы языков народов ссии, не поддерживаемые
>>>стандартом Unicode 3.2
>>>(not supported by Unicode)
>>
>>Most of these are supported by Unicode. You can add arbitrary macrons
>>and dots and rings to any character.
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> As you may see from the quotation, that was not my opinion, by those of Esa
> Anttikoski who does great job on providing support to minorities langs of
> RF: www.peoples.org.ru
> AFAIU, it goes about *precomposed* characters. Most of Cyrillics with
> diacritics are presented in Unicode 3.2. Some langs of Siberia and Far East
> lack such presentation. And for convenience it is always good to have "one
> keystroke - one character" principle.
> Btw, combinatory marks make the characters look dash ugly, since letters
> have different width.
> You may compare precomp. ā and composed ā. Even in this case it differs.
> And if I need to put macron over ы or ю (as in Mansi), they look even worse:
> ы̅, ю̅. And where to put macron over ё? And to have GHE WITH DESCENDER, EL
> WITH HOOK and HA WITH HOOK (all for Nivkh), we definitely need a separate
> character.
Unicode's policy is only to encode precomposed characters that are
already present in standard character sets in wide use, to ensure
round-trip conversion without dataloss. Unicode considers precomposed
characters to be canonically equivalent to their corresponding combining
character sequences. A WITH RIG ABOVE is supposed to be identical to A
followed by COMBINING RING ABOVE...if it doesn't, either the font or the
display system is in error.

Unicode combining characters FAQ:
http://www.unicode.org/faq/char_combmark.html

Where's My Character?:
http://www.unicode.org/standard/where/