Re: Formal vs. natural languages (was Re: Oligosynthetic languages in nature.)

>>>        Yes it is wonderful how cohesive we with you are. As the concept "As
 >>>       above, So below" of the gnostics, and "Macrocosm, Microcosm" of the
  >>>      Elizabetheans, the "As in area, So in point" of Geometry.

  >>  Maybe senility is now setting in, but I just do not understand
what this is about. Is it possible to rephrase this in a way that an
old timer can understand?

   >> Thanks.

this is in reference to philosophy and religion. An area can map a
point, but that point can itself be an area -- like a fractal image.

and so all things are, reflections of one another.

This is particularly a reason why it makes so much sense to have an
oligosynthetic language -- since in natural languages there are many
very similar concepts with very different names not taking advantage
of the hierarchical nature of the multiverse.
The brain is a hierarchical mechanism -- with lots of sensors feeding
to smaller more refined layers of signal.

for instance the reality we live in now, could be described as some
basic geometric shapes, triangles for pine trees, rectangles for
buildings -- these basic shapes are further refined with context for
us to then define what kind of triangle or rectangle they are.

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 2:16 PM, And Rosta <and.rosta@...> wrote:
> R A Brown, On 30/03/2009 08:13:
>>>>
>>>> That does not, of course, mean that one cannot attempt an oligosynthetic
>>>> _conlang_ - but so far attempts to do this do not seem to have met with
>>>> success.
>>
>> I see oligosynthesis working only with a community that is isolated from
>> the rest of humanity and retains a conservative world-view that understands
>> everything in terms of a closed set of semantic primes. That is  possibility
>> in an alternate history or a science fiction scenario.
Actually it is more likely that the reverse is true.
A small community with very few words can hieroglyphically assign
meaning -- to each it's own name (as with Adamic languages).

However when it is a very large society then there is more necessity
to support derivation of one meaning from another -- so that similar
meaning words can be recognized.

In the language of Arabic there are many words for camel, as in
English there are many words for types of path (road, street, avenue,
etc).

The advantage an oligosynthetic language gives to a participant of a
large community is much shorter amount of time spent learning and
memorizing field specific language -- such as that of physics,
mathematics, or linguistics.

In the natural contextual Adamic languages of homo-sapiens there can
frequently be large amounts of overlapping definitions -- especially
for words like Alpha, Beta, Theta, Delta (depending on field of
inquiry).

Indeed it seems that extra-terrestrials might use a form of
oligosynthetic-language due to some of their expressions.

For instance in the ra material
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra_(channeled_entity) there are many such
allusions.

space/time is reference to our physical incarnational experience whereas
time/space is a reference to spiritual disincarnated experience.

there are also words like love/light and light/love, over a variety of
texts by different extra-terrestrial races such and the Arcturians.

many seem to say initiate a farewell statement with the term "Adonai".

As for the semantic primes being culturally neutral, mathematics is
often considered culturally neutral -- on which my oligosynthetic
language is based.

Indeed the oligosynthetic language I am making has more to do with
categorizing words than actually having a spoken language -- though a
spoken language can later be derived from the numerical representation
of hexadecimal concepts.

I agree that it can, not be done. However it can, be done. The only
requirement is that someone has to do it.

I've spent a few years on it already and am up to the challenge.

An interesting thing i've recently come across is "the most common
chinese characters" which will help identify what the core concepts
are necessary for basic conversation. So defining these basic chinese
hieroglyph words has priority in the oligosynthetic hexadeciaml word
classification system I am making.

It would be nice if you could point out some basic word lists you've
come across in your linguistic adventures.

Happiness and love to all.
May you find peace and stillness,
the tranquility of no,
the art of meditation. :-)

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