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Another victory for the principle of ANADEWism

From:Thomas R. Wier <trwier@...>
Date:Sunday, November 21, 2004, 3:00
Some time ago, Carsten wrote:

> > Would the Ergative lang make more use of > > causatives as well? (Causative in Ayeri = someone/-thing > > caused someone/-thing to do something)
and I responded:
> AFAIK causativization has nothing to do with the subjective > alignment system a language has.
Well, it now appears that I will have to eat crow. Last week I was speaking with a young Kurdologist at the Oriental Institute's weekly social hour (long may its intoxications continue!) who told me off hand that she'd found this interesting construction in the Kurdish dialects spoken in Turkey. Apparently, although most past tense verbs have shed their ergative constructions inherited from Proto-Iranian, there is a small class of causative verbs that agree with the direct object only, and not the notional subject. She wasn't clear on whether only causative verbs so agree, or whether there are other transitive verbs that preserve the older system, or whether these causatives are the causatives of base-intransitive verbs, or base-transitive verbs. Nonetheless, it appears to uphold the glorious principle of A Natlang Already Does it Even Worse, and should serve as inspiration for all sorts of conlangers determined to engineer willful languages! :) ========================================================================= Thomas Wier "I find it useful to meet my subjects personally, Dept. of Linguistics because our secret police don't get it right University of Chicago half the time." -- octogenarian Sheikh Zayed of 1010 E. 59th Street Abu Dhabi, to a French reporter. Chicago, IL 60637