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Re: More ASCII IPA suggestions ...

From:Carsten Becker <post@...>
Date:Monday, February 2, 2004, 17:23
Hej!

From: "Andreas Johansson" <andjo@...>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 4:30 PM
Subject: More ASCII IPA suggestions ...


> As in X-SAMPA, all lowercase Roman letter stays. The big change is that > anything that is represented in the IPA by a superscript is represented by
^
> plus the sign in question; thus ^h for aspiration, ^j for palatalization
and
> so on. When the superscripted character isn't ASCIIically available,
whatever
> is used for the character in its independent IPA use is used instead; eg
^G
> for velarization. > > I'm sure this scheme perserves a variety of aspects of CXS others find > obnoxious. Tell me, and we can hopefully word out an improvement! The
below
> mostly reproduces the IPA, but I'm perfectly open to add more non-IPA > distinctions. Anyway, this what I have ATM:
Senseful. x_x can confuse, especially, because "_" can also mean it's a double articulation or diphtong.
> H\ voiceless epiglottal fricative (someone tell me what this is!) > <\ voiced epiglottal fricative > >\ epiglottal plosive (I want to change these two too - suggestions?) > s\ voiceless alveopalatal fricative > z\ voiced alveopalatal fricative > s\! palatoalveolar click > l\ alveolar lateral flap > x\ simultaneous S and x > 5 velarized alveolar lateral approximant
I'd like to have explained all of them if possible...
> Affricates and double articulations may optionally be inclosed in { } to > disambiguate. Alternatively, affricate or double articulation may be
assumed,
> and clusters separated by '-'. Note that normal parentesis and square
brackets
> retain their IPA functions!
I'd even put diphtongs and/or glides into brackets, e.g. {Aj}, {aU}. A hyphen would also make sense, especially if you don't like having brackets in brackets (if you use square brackets, e.g. [Ek_s "sEmp@] like I use to)
> Vowels: > > | i y i\ u\ M u > | I Y I\ U\ U > | e 2 @\ 8 7 o > | @ > | E 9 3 3\ V O > | & 6 > | a &\ A Q
Huh? [M] was a voiceless [m], wasn't it?
> Superagementals: > > ' Primary stress > , Secondary stress > : Long > ; Half-long > ;\ Extra short > . Syllable break > | Minor (foot) group > || Major (intonation) group > > For tone, I don't have any improvements on CXS to suggest ATM. However, if
'<'
> and '>' are freed up, I'm thinking they could be used to enclose tonal
info.
> Eg, [ma<TMH>] would be the syllable "ma" with an obnoxious extra
high-mid-high
> contour tone on. Since ! and ^ have been hijacked, it would also allow us
to
> use <!> and <^> for downstep and upstep.
Yay! No numbers from 1-5 anymore which don't make tone clear I think - at least *I* never knew which one belongs to which tone. <TMH> etc. are a good idea (although not nice looking and more at the Kirshenbaum end) because English QUERTY keyboards AFAIK do not support directly typing ^, ´ and ` over letters, do they? The turned around ^ wouldn't be possible with a QUERTZ/AZERTY keyboard either and needs Unicode as well. Other possibilities to "enclose tonal info" could be using horizontal dashes: |TMH|, although these could be easily mixed up with [I]'s and [l]'s, depending on the font you're using. Well, in serif fonts this doesn't matter, but if you look at non-serif fonts... rather difficult to tell apart when having only a quick look.
> > Diacritics: > > _0 voiceless (zero) > _v voiced > ^h aspirated > _o more rounded (using lowercase lessens risk for confusion with _0) > _c less rounded > _+ advanced > _- retracted > ¨ centralized (did not seem to be any reason not get rid of the
underline)
> * mid-centralized > = syllabic > = non-syllabic (can't think of any symbol that need distinct syllabic
and
> non-syllabic diacritics!) > ` rhoticity > _¨ breathy voiced
The trema requires typing in an ALT+0000 combination. Not possible on QUERTY/QUERTZ at least. And remember, English and other languages have no <ä>, <ö> or <ü> (in Swedish <y> nevertheless) and thus do not require keys for those letters. Btw, <ë>, <ÿ> require ALT combinations in every case on English, German and French keyboards.
> _~ creaky voiced (these two increase similarity to the IPA) > _N linguolabial > ^w labialized > ^j palatalized > ^G velarized > ^?\ pharyngealized > _e velarized or pharyngealized (no, I don't know why we need this) > ^r raised > ^o lowered (these written as if superscripts to free up _o for more
rounded)
> _A advanced tongue root > _q retracted tongue root > _d dental > _a apical > _m laminal > _s sublaminal > ~ nasalized (notice that _~ is NOT a valid alternative for nasalization
in
> this scheme!) > _n nasal release > _l lateral release > _` no audible release (similarish to IPA diacritic, and I hate brackets
used
> for non-brackety purposes)
And how is this scheme supposed to be called? JX-SAMPA (Johansson's X-Sampa)? BTW, what does SAMPA stand for? X- is "extended" AFAIK. Carsten Becker -------------------------------------------------- http://www.beckerscarsten.de/ http://gitarrenklampfer.deviantart.com/

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