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Re: Sound changes causing divergence of ordinals from cardinals

From:John Vertical <johnvertical@...>
Date:Thursday, January 5, 2006, 22:47
Neat stuff. Still, this does nothing to extend the cardinal/ordinal
distinction to other numerals! They'll definitely get messed up too in all
these sound shifts, but it would be unlikely that one series would turn out
resembling the ordinals more than the cardinals, let alone contrasting the
two as equally possible roots.

Of course, we can just derive those later, but where's the fun in that? ;)

Alex Fink wrote:
>Nik Taylor wrote: > >Alex Fink wrote: > > > (2) Primary stress is penultimate (unless there's only one vowel). >Vowels > > > under the primary stress shift: non-high vowels rise (/a e 2 Q o/ > /e >i y o > > > u/), while high vowels break (/i y u/ > /j@ H@ w@/). > > > >(3) Intervocalic voiceless stops become fricatives (/x/ further develops > >to /h/ and then 0) > >Weird that original /h/ sticks around, then.
Indeed, better delete them intervocally too. OK, with lots of adjacent vowels now... (4) Sequences of adjacent vowels with the same roundedbackness develop into long vowels. Schwa matches with all series. The vowel is high (or low) iff all the originals vowels also are, else mid. And to stop this from being just "big" shifts, I think we should also allow one "small" (ie. affecting only a few of the words herein) sound shift per turn: (4.5) Immediately before stress, /tS dZ/ lenite to /S Z/ unless preceded by an alveolar continuant. Value Cardinal Ordinal 1 'j@wQ i'we: 2 'nero na'rue 3 'mjo: mi'ue 4 'to: 'to:e 5 'kin 'kinke 6 'jesu ja'swe: 7 'Sj@gu Si'gwe: 8 'dZuz2 Zo'ze: 9 'hj@ja hi'je: 10 'neo na'ue 11 'hero ha'rue 12 'utsu ot'swe: 20 naro'no: naro'no:e 21 naronQ'H@wQ naronQy'we: 22 narono:'noro narono:nQ'rue 30 mio'no: mionQ'ue 31 naro'no:ro narono:'rue 32 naro'no:tsu narono:'tswe: 33 miono:'mjo: miono:mi'ue I also postulate words for 100, 1000 and 10000: 100 'tSifu Se'pwe: (from tSepu tSepuke) 1000 'wegor wa'gurke (from wagor wagorke) 10000 Sun'tSyfu tSuntS2'pw@ke (from tSuntSepu tSuntSepuke ) These do not compound with each other or smaller numerals, so there's no need to individually process thru numbers larger than 100. Still needs to somehow perturb the still somewhat regular -e ending of the ordinals and the matching initial consonants. And all those medial glides can't be healthy either... John Vertical


Chris Peters <beta_leonis@...>
Nik Taylor <yonjuuni@...>