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Re: Another Orthography Question

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Thursday, November 19, 1998, 7:36
At 18:43 18/11/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Okay. I'm back active after a long time. > >I've begun wotking on a new language, whose Anglicised name is Quryak. >I'm developing the phonology tright now, but I need some help. I want to >know what are the IPA/SAMPA for (IE, how to show in ASCII) > >nasalised vowels
I think using a tilda ~ before or after the vowel is the best way to do it (just choose a place and keep it).
>o-slash (computer, how?)
On my old computer, the 0 (zero) was just like that. But I think it disappeared. If you make an HTML file, I think such a character already exists (I saw it but don't use it).
>inverted lower case e (again, how to show in ascii)(NOT schwa!)
It's not the schwa? So what is it?
>voiced interdental fricative >voiceless " " >voiced velar fricative >voiced welsh "ll" >voiceledd welsh "ll" >voiced strident apico-alveolar fricative trill (Czech r-hachek) >voiceless palatal stop (IPA [c]) >voiced palatal stop (IPA barred undotted j) >IPA inverted w >glottal stop
Generally ' is used.
>ejective k >ejective t >ejective p
What I see is generally k', t' and p'. But the apostroph has so many uses that it can be the worst solution.
>unreleased k >unreleased t >unreleased p >clicks: Zulu x >click: Zulu q
A question related to clicks: what are they? (I mean, how are they pronounced? Nobody has ever been able to explain me exactly what clicks= were).
> >Once I have all these, I can give some examples. >Beyond that, the other sounds: > >Vowels: > >a & e i I o o-slash u y inverted-e > >all of which can occur nasalised > >Consonants (in no particular order) > >dZ >tS >edh >thorn >gamma >x >j >l >voiced "ll" >"ll" (Welsh) >m >n >N (eng) >r >r-hachek >z >s >Z >S >voiceless palatal stop >voiced palatal stop >w >inverted w >glottal stop (some Canadian Native langs use 7)
That's an idea: try using numbers to modify the letters (it seems odd but after a while we can get used to everything). The main advantage is that you have 9 symbols (I don't count 0 (zero) that is to much like O). Another idea: use capitalized and small letters with different values (like in Klingon). Even if your system won't be universal, just prevent before that you're using a special system (it's just two or three lines to add).
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