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Aroha from Honoruru....

From:Carsten Becker <carbeck@...>
Date:Sunday, April 30, 2006, 20:40

On 13 October 1997, 23:33 (+0100), George E. Harding wrote:
> Hell if I know. I was merely referring to the > _stereotypical_, not linguistic confusion. Remember, I'm > still working on how Goethe rhymed _Buehne_ with _Biene_, > and how Heine did the same with _Weh_ and _Hoeh'_.
Bühne /"by:n@/ Weh /ve:/ Biene /"bi:n@/ Höh' /h2:/ (To those that do not have the archives of that time at hand: The situation was that George wondered about why German "Bühne" (stage) and "Biene" (bee) respectively "Weh" (woe) and "Höh'" (height) apparently rhyme. Several list members tryed to explain this but the wrong conclusion was made that this is due to dialect and might not work in the standard language. James F. Bisso was right about the vowels being pairs [i] ~ [y], [e] ~ [2] however.) The first one is a consonance (same consonants, different vowels), for what it's worth, despite of graphological differences. However, as James Bisso said, the rhyme between "Bühne" and "Biene" and "Weh" and "Höh'" is based on features both vowels have in common: [i] = tense close front *unrounded*, [y] = tense close front *rounded*; [e] = tense close-mid front *unrounded*, [2] = tense close-mid front *rounded* -- that's all. I've read that Goethe had a Frankfurt accent, and since Heine comes from somewhere around Gießen, his dialect should have been similar to Goethe's a Sothern Hessian one. Nevertheless this does not matter here since the two examples given should also rhyme in the standard language. I'm certain there is a name for this, but I don't know it. Does this kind of rhyme not exist in English? Is it due to English lacking phonemic front-rounded vowels? Carsten -- "Miranayam kepauarà naranoaris." (Kalvin nay Hobbes) Venena, Lahang 9, 2315 ya 10:31:39 pd