Re: GROUPLANG: Pronouns

De: Nik Taylor <fortytwo@...>
Fecha: Viernes 16 de Octubre de 1998 03:20


>Pablo Flores wrote:
>> (Assuming "gender" includes "sex") I'd rather not, tho it wouldn't
>> hurt me to use it.
>I just thought it might be interesting.  I-mascline saw you-masculine,
>for instance.  If you prefer, we could have an epicene form, with the
>gendered forms as alternates, perhaps used in intimate settings?
I've suggested we have a compulsory gender/class dictintion with other
optional "genders" or markers which would be needed for agreement
differenciation or extention of the meaning.  I've post sex being one of
them, deixis or another referencial mark as another one.  Number would be an
optional mark also.  Politeness would be also optional.

And all compulsory or optinal genders, or other parts of the screeve could
be used in either roots with nominal cases, verbal cases or adjectival
cases.

>> I agree with polite/informal for all persons, tho I don't quite get
>> what it would mean in 1st person (respect for myself?) -- maybe it'd
>> mean you consider yourself a great respectable person. :-)
>We could have like in Japanese, a "plain" 1st person pronouns, and
>various levels of humbleness.
>> Shouldn't we mark politeness on verbs, too (at least in very formal
>> or pompous speech)?
>Good idea!
See above.

>> Well, we seem to have set on
>>
>> agent
>> patient
>> undergoer
>> absolutive
>> causative
>> modifier
>> determinant
>> predicate
>
>These are the cases?  I don't really like them that much.  Very odd.  I
>must've missed that discussion, but what's the difference between
>"undergoer" and "patient"?  And what's absolutive if you already have
>patient?  Subject of an intransitive verb?
It seams we have to define our set of cases/PoS marks.  I sugest we should
"translate" with our case system some work or some sentences, representative
enough to decide which cases are necesary and which are superflous.  Any
sugestions?

1) My neighbourg has a big dog.
2) The dog is red.
3) Last night it bit me hard.
4) Fortunately, the dog has no rabish and the injure was not deep.
5) The dog is sleeping now.

6) I have a little cat
7) My cat is friend of my neighbour's dog.
8) My cat is sleeping on my lap.

9) I have two children.
10) A boy and a girl.
11) I've sleep my doghter early tonight.
12) My son is working on the computer.
13) My son is conlanging with my friends from the list.

-- Carlos Th