Re: Interbeing

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From: Kala Tunu <kalatunu@...>
To: <CONLANG@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: Interbeing


> "Douglas Koller, Latin & French" <latinfrench@S...> wrote:
>
> >>>
> And tomorrow, a lengthier opus on "Circumcision". Fear not, o
> squeamish ones; it's not a medical treatise, but an excerpt
> translated from the Hungarian novel "A Körülmetélés". Tame stuff (so
> far).
> Kou
> <<<
> ouch. i don't want to read this.
Neither do I! I hope we should be sensible enough to have a kinda inner
censorship on certain topics, esp. religious ones to prevent senseless
fighting.

> does anyone here whitness whether it really
> hurts when you're an adult?
A friend of mine got cicumcised at the age of 36. He told that the very
procedure was almost painless, but later he could hardly walk for a couple
of weeks. But he was happy since he performed a mitzvah!

> isn't "circumcision of the soul" fair enough? i'm
> sure it is. must be so. definitely.
It depends. According to the Torah (the Instruction/Teaching given to the
Jewish people by our G-d, A-doynoi, the Creator & Master of the Universe),
both circumcision of the flesh and circumcision of the heart are commanded.
You can find it in your Bible in Genesis 17:9-14 and Deuteronomy 10:16. The
perpetuality of the commandment is proven by the prophet Ezekiel 44:9 where
he tells about the future Messianic kingdom.
So it is *obligatory* for a Jew. It's definetely clear (and confirmed by
the Sages) that a non-circumcised Jew has no share in the World-to-Come
(that's an equivalent of the church term "salvation").
On the contrary, Gentiles, even those who believe in G-d of Israel, are NOT
commaded to be circumcised. Moreover, they are strongly dissuaded to do it
unless they want to be "complete proselytes" (gerei ha-tzedeq) which is
also often dissuadable.

> Mathias
Yitzik
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