Re: Group Conlang (was: Re: a Conlang, created by the group?)

Herman Miller wrote:

>>c) Case markers are prefixed (Carlos and Mathias both proposed
>>this, and we the others have stayed silent), so adpositions have to
>>be postfixed according to b).
>
>But my proposed system has gender/number prefixes and case suffixes. I just
>didn't have time to get around to it last night.
Sorry. But it's not "official" yet anyway. Mathias just posted a voting form
about that, so we'll decide there.

The main reason to prefix case markers is (it seems) to avoid imitating
Latin (and other IE langs).

[snip my made-up words]
>>qaun-  "hard, strong"
>
>Examples for some of these might be useful, especially since "hard" and
>"strong" have numerous meanings in English.
Just a general meaning, "physical (dynamic) strength, physical violence".
This is just for examples...
Anyway, if you say "hard" in English, no matter how many meanings it
has, everybody gets it, ne? ;)

>I don't especially like pe- or ys-.
Neither do I. Do you not like them or plainly hate them?

>Iin the case system I proposed that would be:
>a-frar-a s-u kjak-ul
>the-dog-agent I-patient bite-past
>
>or using -u as a perfective suffix, and putting the tense on the noun:
>
>a-frar-ul-a s-u kjak-u
>the-dog-past-agent I-patient bite-perfective
>
>a-frar-a s-ul-u kjak-u
>the-dog-agent I-past-patient bite-perfective
I see you use a prefixed marker a- which you translate
"the". Is it supposed to be a gender marker (where you proposed
it to be located), or is it really an "article"?

Bear in mind that kjak- "bite" should be marked with a
predicate case affix. Otherwise your sentence could mean
"the bit made to me by the dog", cos kjak- is both
nominal and verbal in principle. The proposed word order
(modifiers + head) suggests this.

>
>Being able to distinguish predicates from modifiers might be useful for
>word order flexibility: we could say "the-dog red-modifier" for "the red
>dog" without having it be confused for "the dog is red".
I agree. The trouble with modifiers is that you don't know what
they modify. If you say "man-agent strong-modifier disagree-predicate"
it could mean "the strong man disagrees" or "the man strongly disagrees".

This, of course, unless we use a resumptive there,
"man-agent strong-modifier, (he)-agent disagree-predicate"
"The man [who is] strong, he disagrees"

This resumptive could be a separable case marker, as proposed by
Mathias (for which I voted yes on his poll).

>>Note that if stems always end in a consonant as we decided,
>>at least a postfixed inflection will have to be added in order
>>not to produce invalid syllables such as _kjak_ (stops are not
>>allowed in syllable-final position). This should be gender for
>>nouns, and tense for verbs... at least a generic tense.
>
>or aspect.
I agree. Tho I prefer not to place tense markers on "nouns".

>>A final example:
>>
>>jol- "leg"
>>la   "in" (postp)
>
>(specifically "in" as "location of action", or can it also be used for
>"inside"?)
"Location of action", "in", "on". A general meaning so far.


--Pablo Flores

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