Re: Hi! Reintroducing myself, and introducing bryatesle
|From:||Markus Miekk-oja <m13kk0@...>|
|Date:||Thursday, July 14, 2005, 23:27|
>Hello, and thanks for writing.
Hi. Thanks for responding :D
>I got as far as your secondary cases before writing this reply.
What do you like the idea of having two groups of cases like that?
>The "reciprocal-object" case looks great for one possible answer to the
>questions I and the responders raised on the "Reflexive and Reciprocal
>Voices in Ditransitives" thread I started earlier this year (since May
>The "secondary-subject" case looks great for one possible answer to the
>questions I and the responders raised on the "Are commands to believe
>felicitous?" thread I started earlier this year (also since May 2005).
Funny how it seems to've suggested answers for questions I wasn't aware of
when I decided how they'd be used. Be warned though, the reciprocal object
is a very fuzzy thing indeed.
>I would love to know how Bryatesle (is the capital B /not/ OK?)
>says "believe", "know", "choose to believe", "come to believe", "come
>to know", and similar things.
The capital <B> is ok there (I'm not the kind of guy who takes things like
that very seriously). Could you provide me with some sample usages of
believe, know, etc. so I'll know exactly what kinds of constructions with
those that you want to see? Purely on the basis of what believe-come to
believe and believe-choose to believe, most of that difference will be
handled with the resultative/irresultative verb aspects, but case rections
might get relevant in there.
Since "believe" is a verb of perception*, the subject/perceiver will likely
be in the dative, and the object/stimulus is accusative (a group of them
will have the stimulus be in the nominative partitive instead). However,
'choose to believe' will probably be a reflexive-ish causative resultative,
(and resultatives have a stronger sense of transitivity in Bryatesle, ) have
the subject/perceiver in nominative and the object/stimulus in the
* to the Bryatesle mind it is.
I haven't got very many verb-specific constructions worked out, or very much
vocabulary either - I want the morphology and syntax very well worked out
before I start making up lexical entries - for this language, every verb in
the lexicon requires strings like "syntactically intransitive, semantic
patient = obl. dat partitive in object position & mandatory; semantic
patients in the plural will in the resultative acquire rec.obj. marking"
(the Lexical-Functional Grammar bug has bit me hard).
FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now!