Re: OT: reality (wasRe: Atlantean)

Quoting Gary Shannon <fiziwig@...>:


> People who's religious faith in the infallability of
> science are profoundly uncomfortable with the notion
> that something can be true for no reason, i.e.,
> without cause.  That's why they react so violently to
> stories of ESP or reincarnation, etc. etc.  They claim
> that since there's no reason why they should be true
> they cannot be true.
Is there really anyone claiming _that_? I mean, while I don't have
any "religious faith" in the infallability of science, I _do_ tend to react
strongly to to stories of ESP, reincarnation and the like. Yet I can think of
a dozen reasons, most of them bad, why they should exist.

> But their own Goedel has stabbed
> them in the back!  Things CAN be true for no reason
> and with no cause.  Goedel has proven it.
I think we need a defintion of 'reason'. Among the reasons for the existence
of the Goedel theorem and the unprovable truths it guarantees to exist I've
heard, one is that God is actively malicious.

> The only solution is to learn to be comfortable with
> uncertainty. "Look and it can't be seen.  Listen and
> it can't be heard. Reach, and it can't be grasped." -
Why this fixation with solutions. I'm have no intention ever to become
comfortable with quantum uncertainty*, and am quite happy about that.

* This does not imply that quantum uncertainty has any existence, objective or
otherwise. I believe it exists, and that's what I must go by.

                                                 Andreas

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