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Re: OT: reality (wasRe: Atlantean)

From:Andreas Johansson <andjo@...>
Date:Monday, January 12, 2004, 17:51
Quoting Gary Shannon <fiziwig@...>:


> People who's religious faith in the infallability of > science are profoundly uncomfortable with the notion > that something can be true for no reason, i.e., > without cause. That's why they react so violently to > stories of ESP or reincarnation, etc. etc. They claim > that since there's no reason why they should be true > they cannot be true.
Is there really anyone claiming _that_? I mean, while I don't have any "religious faith" in the infallability of science, I _do_ tend to react strongly to to stories of ESP, reincarnation and the like. Yet I can think of a dozen reasons, most of them bad, why they should exist.
> But their own Goedel has stabbed > them in the back! Things CAN be true for no reason > and with no cause. Goedel has proven it.
I think we need a defintion of 'reason'. Among the reasons for the existence of the Goedel theorem and the unprovable truths it guarantees to exist I've heard, one is that God is actively malicious.
> The only solution is to learn to be comfortable with > uncertainty. "Look and it can't be seen. Listen and > it can't be heard. Reach, and it can't be grasped." -
Why this fixation with solutions. I'm have no intention ever to become comfortable with quantum uncertainty*, and am quite happy about that. * This does not imply that quantum uncertainty has any existence, objective or otherwise. I believe it exists, and that's what I must go by. Andreas

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