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Re: Aks

From:Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
Date:Tuesday, October 23, 2007, 12:10
Judge Judy was probably correct, pragmatically even if not
politically.  The legal profession does not look kindly on nonstandard
speech.  When your goal is to get the judge and jury on your side, it
helps to minimize the number of things they can use to file you as
Other and thereby discount your argument.

In any case, the metathetic pronunciation is IME an exact homophone of
the word "ax(e)", whatever you label that vowel.  Is it the case that
the two words do not rhyme in AusE?


On 10/23/07, R A Brown <ray@...> wrote:
> T. A. McLeay wrote: > > R A Brown wrote: > [snip] > >> > >> It was also a common pronunciation of 'ask' in some Brit English > >> dialects, at least until the early part of the 20th century - not > >> sure if it still survives. In older dialect texts it is usually > >> spelled 'ax'. Dutton adopted this form in his Speedwords. > >> > >> Such metathesis has a long history in English. Both _acsian_ and > >> _ascian_ occurred in Old English. > > > > In Australia some people metathesise "ask" too, but I doubt this is a > > part of a long tradition, but a more recent change probably > > influenced by other dialects of English as the result is /a:ks/. In > > British English in areas that have a broad "a" in "ask", if there's a > > metathesised form, is the vowel broad or flat? > > AFAIK it was (is?) /&ks/ which, in the north of England would be [aks], > but [&ks] in the south (more or less). > > On checking I find that _ax_ /&ks/ was used in the Sussex dialect at > least till the 19th century & possibly into the 20th (but tho I heard > _wops_ as a boy in West Sussex, I don't recall hearing _ax_ - but > linguistically the eastern part of the county was always more > conservative). According to my "Glossary of the Provincialisms in use in > the County of Sussex" (1853), _ax_ was also used in Yorkshire, East > Anglia, Somerset, Devon, and Heredfordshire. > > It also occurs in Wycliff's NT "Jhesus axide hem" (Jesus asked them), > and in Chaucer "Our host him axed, what man art thou?" [Ploughman's Tale]. > > As many of the early settlers of the Caribbean and American states came > from East Anglia & from Somerset and Devon, I suspect the _ax_ which > apparently characterizes speech of Afro-Caribbeans & Afro-Americans (if > I've understood replies correctly) was learnt from sailors and slave > owners of long ago. > > -- > Ray > ================================== > http://www.carolandray.plus.com > ================================== > Entia non sunt multiplicanda > praeter necessitudinem. >
-- Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>

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