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Re: CHAT: cross-culturation

From:Karapcik, Mike <karapcik@...>
Date:Monday, December 3, 2001, 14:51
| -----Original Message-----
| Subject: Re: CHAT: cross-culturation
| Re: John Cowan on Monday, December 03, 2001 4:14 PM
| > > What kinda ham, i wonder? pork? <smi-i-i-ile...>
| >
| > Certainly.  The English language, at least, admits no ham
| > (as a food item) that is not pork.  ("Ham" is also a
| > synonym for "buttock", in which case it can be human.)
| My goodness!
| I've been learning English for years, and REALLY didn't know it!
| lol

        Actually, "ham" is generally understood as "leg/butt of pig" in
American English. It's all "pork". The reference to a person's (usually a
woman's) butt has become fairly obscure, is usually associated with
South-eastern US ("The South), and will get you slapped if the woman is

| And how should I call a turkey or a chicken prepared the same way?

        Fried chicken - fried turkey.
        Chicken a la king - turkey a la king.
        Oven roasted chicken - oven roasted turkey.

        For some reason, in American English, dishes that are based on
chicken almost always expressly state the "chicken". However, in America
(I'm not sure about UK or Australia/NZ), about the only bird you will
commonly see on a menu is "chicken". You will occasionally see turkey or
duck, but that's rare. I think the recipe names come from the fact that long
ago in Britain, one would regularly eat chicken, goose, or duck, and in
early America turkey was also common.

        So, if you want to specify turkey instead of chicken, you just
replace "chicken" with "turkey", or the bird you want to eat (fried duck
[yummy!!!], roasted goose, etc.).

| What should I say if I need smth kosher of this kind?
| Yitzik

        I assume you're talking about fowl (bird) and not pork! ;-) (Kosher
pork is a bit hard to come by....)

        "Kosher" is used as an adjective. You just make it the first word of
the dish. (I have only heard it placed at the beginning of a name.)

        Kosher fried chicken, kosher turkey a la king, kosher roast duck.

        If you require something kosher, then you would just ask, "Is the
[dish | recipe | fried duck] kosher?", or "What on the menu is kosher?".

Mike Karapcik           *       Tampa, FL
Network Analyst         *       USF campus
H. Lee Moffitt Cancer Research Center
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