Re: OT: Of Angles and Saxons

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From: "Ray Brown" <ray.brown@...>



> Another obvious pointer to the pre-conquest use of the name is that Welsh
> called the English "Saxons" way before the conquest and still call us
> 'Saxons' to the present day:
> Sais (an Englishman) ~ pl. Saeson
> Saesnes (an English woman) ~ pl. Saesnesau
> Saesneg [noun] English [language]
> Seisnig [adjective] English
>
> 'England' is,however, 'Lloegr', a more ancient name an one which, I
> believe, was once given to the whole island, to show that the Saxons are
> native to the land but invaders/ settlers    :)
>
> Sally - or anyone else - do you know the origin of Lloeger?
Well, I have heard that it comes from Legorencis Civitas, the early name
given to Leicester, but I'm a little skeptical of this etymology, especially
since the Romans probably got the name from the Britons.  Unfortunately I
don't have the Geiriadur Prifysgol Cymry here at home.  (What a nice
Christmas present.  I'm sure it's about 500 dollars!)  It may very well give
the etymology of Lloegr.

I can look if I go in today, which I think I will.

Sally

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