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reformed Welsh Spelling [to: Ray Brown]

From:Robert Jung <robertmjung@...>
Date:Wednesday, December 3, 2003, 22:06
Ray Brown,

/k/ is now |c|.

/a/ is written |a|, and /a:/ is written |aa|.

|ae| and |ai| may be distinguished.

Old |au| is then written |ai| or |au|, depending on region.

Spelling old |ch| as |x| gets rid of any confusion between |ch| as [tS] or something
else, and keeps with the one-sound-one-letter-rule system; it doesn't really
matter about |x| being confused with [ks] seems really ridiculous.

/e:/ is now |ee|.

Old |ei| is now |yi| (since |y| is /V/. Please ignore the 'strange' spelling. I
know it seems as such, but as long as it works, it's fine with me.)

Old |ey| is now |yi| or |eu|. (I hope I'm interpreting [1(] as the right sound,
one of the old |u| pronunciations).

Then |eu| is written as either |yi| or |eu|(?).

|f| and |ph| may be distinguished, if it's absolutely necessary. But I didn't know
|ph| and |f| differ during mutations.

Old |gw| is now always |gw|.

|j| represents [dZ]. I should've included it. :) Forgetful me. :(

|oe|, |oi|, |oy| are then distinguished, if you insist. But |oi| and |oy| merge into |oi|.

|ow| is now |yw| (= [Vw]).

|si| is still |si|, now.

I thought |ts| was pronounced [tS]. If it isn't, then it's still spelled |ts|.
If it's pronounced [tS], then it's |ch| (etc.; as it's not a native sound). But
|c| used to be - in Reform 1 - [S].

> > w=/V/ û, /u/ ûû, /w/ w > Eh?? The "new spelling" confuses what is pretty clear in > the current spelling! > > |u| and 'clear' |y| = [1(:)] in north Wales and [i] in south > Wales. > 'obscure' |y| is [V] > |w| as a vowel is *always* [u(:)] and as a semivowel is [w].
Please explain [1(] and [u(]'s pronunciation - I've never seen 'em before.
> I notice there is no corresponding proposal to distinguish > between |i| as a vowel and |i| as a semivowel.
There's no need. Only in diphthongs is there needed /j/, and |i| suffices; and even rising diphthongs are OK: those without a ¨ are diphthongs, those with one ain't diphthongs. Quite OK to me. But if you want, |j| is used. (Ignore the [dZ] pronun., then.) If the rising/falling-diphthong problem exists only after |g|, then the learner can memorize the words. I'm just a beginner! :(
> > *Regular stress falls on the next-to-last syllable; > > irregular stress is marked with an acute accent. > > Often done.
Now it's ALWAYS done. :) I call it an umlaut, not a diaeresis. I like 'umlaut' better - it sounds more exotic. :) And aren't they the same thing anyway? It's already done this way - using the umlaut (diaeresis) to mark non-diphthongs; I was just, although with redundency, reenforcing that point.
> Personally, I don't see the point of tinkering around with a > more or less phonemic spelling - certainly not to make it > less phonemic. > > If ever a spelling cried out for a more phonemic approach > it's English! But I don't see what this has got to do with > conlanging.
It was an experiment; I just wanted to see what people would think. And I'll give you an English spelling reform if you like - I've already written it! :) --Robert


Costentin Cornomorus <elemtilas@...>
Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>