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Re: fortis vs lenis (was Re: German style orthography)

From:J. 'Mach' Wust <j_mach_wust@...>
Date:Monday, December 13, 2004, 1:02
Andreas Johansson <andjo@...> wrote:

> Taking this offlist; post limit and all that ...
(Taking it onlist again... :)
> Well, if different degrees of muscular tension and breath strength > _aren't_ possible,
I only wanted to assert that there's more than one possible level, .
> it would mean that the neural control of the relevant > bits of anatomy are binary on-off switches; I don't have the biology > background to say for sure, but it would be most remarkable. When > introspection agrees with both what literature I've read on the subject > and what one'd expect from general principles, I'm inclined to trust it.
Me too! But I haven't found any literature that would explain how the feature "force" is articulatorily realized. If you know some resource I would be honestly _very_ interested in knowing it!
> Quoting "J. 'Mach' Wust" <>: > > > On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:37:58 +0100, Andreas Johansson <andjo@...> wrote: > > > > >Quoting "J. 'Mach' Wust" <j_mach_wust@...>: > > > > > >> On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:20:13 +0000, Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>
wrote:
> > >> > > >> >FORTIS - consonant sound made with a relatively strong degree of > > >> >muscular effort and breath force. > > >> >LENIS - consonant sound made with relatively weak degree of muscular > > >> >effort and breath force. > > >> > > >> That's one use of the two terms. For what I know, phoneticians > > >> haven't been able to verify this distinction, so we must consider it > > >> hypothetical. > > > > > >Even if you doesn't believe in its phonemicity, surely you must be able > > >to feel different levels of muscular tension in your speech organs as > > >well different amounts of breath force? > > > > Feeling? I feel them when I intentionally articulate them, producing > > artificially emphatic sounds. But I think in natural emphasizing, there > > are other things working. I'm suspicious of introspection. It's hard to > > tell apart what you perceive from what you think you perceive from what > > you expect to perceive.
gry@s: j. 'mach' wust