Re: fortis vs lenis (was Re: German style orthography)
|From:||J. 'Mach' Wust <j_mach_wust@...>|
|Date:||Monday, December 13, 2004, 1:02|
Andreas Johansson <andjo@...> wrote:
> Taking this offlist; post limit and all that ...
(Taking it onlist again... :)
> Well, if different degrees of muscular tension and breath strength
> _aren't_ possible,
I only wanted to assert that there's more than one possible level, .
> it would mean that the neural control of the relevant
> bits of anatomy are binary on-off switches; I don't have the biology
> background to say for sure, but it would be most remarkable. When
> introspection agrees with both what literature I've read on the subject
> and what one'd expect from general principles, I'm inclined to trust it.
Me too! But I haven't found any literature that would explain how the
feature "force" is articulatorily realized. If you know some resource I
would be honestly _very_ interested in knowing it!
> Quoting "J. 'Mach' Wust" <>:
> > On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:37:58 +0100, Andreas Johansson <andjo@...> wrote:
> > >Quoting "J. 'Mach' Wust" <j_mach_wust@...>:
> > >
> > >> On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:20:13 +0000, Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >FORTIS - consonant sound made with a relatively strong degree of
> > >> >muscular effort and breath force.
> > >> >LENIS - consonant sound made with relatively weak degree of muscular
> > >> >effort and breath force.
> > >>
> > >> That's one use of the two terms. For what I know, phoneticians
> > >> haven't been able to verify this distinction, so we must consider it
> > >> hypothetical.
> > >
> > >Even if you doesn't believe in its phonemicity, surely you must be able
> > >to feel different levels of muscular tension in your speech organs as
> > >well different amounts of breath force?
> > Feeling? I feel them when I intentionally articulate them, producing
> > artificially emphatic sounds. But I think in natural emphasizing, there
> > are other things working. I'm suspicious of introspection. It's hard to
> > tell apart what you perceive from what you think you perceive from what
> > you expect to perceive.
j. 'mach' wust