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Re: Pronounlessly

From:Nik Taylor <fortytwo@...>
Date:Thursday, February 11, 1999, 16:33
Gustavo Eulalio wrote:
> > Are there languages that don't have personal pronouns?
It's been argued (altho I don't necessarily agree with it) that Japanese doesn't have true personal pronouns. Historically, their 1st and 2nd person pronouns were nouns, e.g., boku (I) originally meant "[your] servant", and there are even some situations where _boku_ may be used for "you". Interestingly, the 1st and 2nd person pronouns are all quite new in Japanese, the 1st person pronouns all began as humble euphemisms (considered polite not to directly speak of oneself), for example, boku, servant, became a word for I, but over time they lost their humbleness, and now _boku_ is not considered appropriate for speaking with superiors. Second-person pronouns originally began as a way of exalting the person spoken to, but lost that exalting nature, being used more and more, essentially being over-polite. As a side-note, the 1st and 2nd person free pronouns in W. (as opposed to the clitic pronouns) are descended form _wata'la_, soul, with possessive clitics, thus _ta'lakwa_, -kwa = my, for "I", since shortened to _ta'lkwa_. The original pronouns are now only used for nominative and genetive clitics, and 3rd person only for nominative, absolutive, and genetive, with _i'squ'na_ (that one) for all other forms (with gender prefixes, of course, e.g., _ti'squ'na_, she) -- "It's bad manners to talk about ropes in the house of a man whose father was hanged." - Irish proverb http://members.tripod.com/~Nik_Taylor/X-Files ICQ: 18656696 AIM Screen-name: NikTailor