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Re: Celtic, semitic, etc.

From:Padraic Brown <pbrown@...>
Date:Friday, April 28, 2000, 17:21
On Fri, 28 Apr 2000, Raymond Brown wrote:

>>I dont think that the ones I know even >>think there are Celts in Wales or they think the Scottish are the same as >>the Irish. Some probably don't even know about the Bretons either. > >...even tho the Welsh language has official status in Wales & is more >widely used than Irish? Even tho the Bretons form the largest >Celtic-speaking group?
That's education for you! Welsh is probably thought to be a funny kind of English and Breton almost assuredly is thought to be French.
>>They >>tend to take their cultural influences/references from Irish culture, and >>disregard the other Celtic groups, like the Welsh, Scottish, Bretons, etc. >>Many tend to be Wiccan (Not that there is anything wrong with Wicca ;)). > > Oh - but Wiccan is of Germanic origin, surely. Ireland was anciently the >land of Saints & Scholars. And the modern Irish tend to be over-zealous >about their form of Christianity - either 'more Catholic than the Pope' or, >donning bowler hats [darbies, I believed they're called in the US - the >things Laurel & Hardy wore] during the "Marching Season" (which begins on >Easter Monday), assert their Protestantism in all its 'purity'. Perhaps >these Wiccans should actually settle in Ireland, it might give the native >Irish something to unite about at last :)
Wicca, whatever it may have started out as, is often heavily influenced by Celtic (i.e., _Irish_) Neopaganism.
>----------------------------------------------------------------- >At 7:36 pm -0400 27/4/00, Padraic Brown wrote: >>On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Raymond Brown wrote: >> >>[....] >>>I wonder how many list members can name the "Six Celtic Nations" :) >> >>I'm sure many of us can! First is Ireland. > >Why? Why is Ireland _first_?
Why not? :-D
>>The rest are Scotland, >>Wales, Man, Britanny and Cornwall. > >Correct. > >>Others have added Patagonia, >>Nova Scotia and Galicia. > >Yep - if Cornwall is considered a separate 'nation', then it is just as >logical to include Patagonia & Nova Scotia - tho I understand Welsh has all >but disappeared from Patagonia now. Does Gaelic still survive in Nova >Scotia? I hope so.
From what I understand it does; as do a number of dances and tunes, which have in recent decades travelled back to Scotland. I've also heard that Welsh is not yet dead in Patagonia; though I can imagine it's especially healthy and robust either!
>I know Galicia is often added, tho I've never really understood why. >Galician is well & truly a Romance language and AFAIK there's no tangible >'Celtic' survival there?
Perhaps because many of them identify themselves as Celtic. Sure, they speak a Romance language; but then, most Cornwallians speak a Germanic tongue. For that matter, most Irish and Scots do as well. I believe it's as much a "Celtic Revival", at least in recent years, as much as anything else. Padraic.