Re: Trills (was: "Proposed IPA" characters not in Unicode)

On Jan 19, 2007, at 5:06 AM, John Vertical wrote:

> Eric Christopherson wrote:
>> On Jan 18, 2007, at 8:51 AM, John Vertical wrote:
>> > Paul Bennett wrote:
>> >> However, I discovered last night, while rolling these posts
>> around  >> in my  mind, that I can produce a velar trill (though
>> it sounds  >> *horrible*) and  thus a labiovelar trill. Making
>> that into a  >> doubly-articulated flap/tap  might take work, but
>> I think it might  >> be worth it...
>> >
>> > Are you sure it's a strictly velar trill, not a velarized
>> uvular  > trill or some sort of a gargle effect? It's not supposed
>> to be  > possible to trill the dorsum. Makes me wonder why the IPA
>> still  > leaves the palatal trill as "possible but not
>> attestested" tho.
>>
>> What's being trilled, then, when you pronounce a uvular trill?
>> (I've  never been clear on why some languages have a uvular trill
>> or  fricative or approximant but not a velar one.)
>
> The uvula. Can't generalize that to just any POA, can you?
Ah -- so with say a coronal trill, the tongue is moving against the
roof of the mouth, but in a uvular trill the uvula is moving and the
tongue stays stationary?

>
> (Also, while German and French get their /R/ via /R\/, I'm not sure
> either where some Semitic etc. langs get the /k g X/ pattern...)
>
> John Vertical
>
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