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Re: Trills (was: "Proposed IPA" characters not in Unicode)

From:Eric Christopherson <rakko@...>
Date:Saturday, January 20, 2007, 3:53
On Jan 19, 2007, at 5:06 AM, John Vertical wrote:

> Eric Christopherson wrote: >> On Jan 18, 2007, at 8:51 AM, John Vertical wrote: >> > Paul Bennett wrote: >> >> However, I discovered last night, while rolling these posts >> around >> in my mind, that I can produce a velar trill (though >> it sounds >> *horrible*) and thus a labiovelar trill. Making >> that into a >> doubly-articulated flap/tap might take work, but >> I think it might >> be worth it... >> > >> > Are you sure it's a strictly velar trill, not a velarized >> uvular > trill or some sort of a gargle effect? It's not supposed >> to be > possible to trill the dorsum. Makes me wonder why the IPA >> still > leaves the palatal trill as "possible but not >> attestested" tho. >> >> What's being trilled, then, when you pronounce a uvular trill? >> (I've never been clear on why some languages have a uvular trill >> or fricative or approximant but not a velar one.) > > The uvula. Can't generalize that to just any POA, can you?
Ah -- so with say a coronal trill, the tongue is moving against the roof of the mouth, but in a uvular trill the uvula is moving and the tongue stays stationary?
> > (Also, while German and French get their /R/ via /R\/, I'm not sure > either where some Semitic etc. langs get the /k g X/ pattern...) > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Uutisista turhaan tietoon. Mitä ikinä etsitkin, MSN Search löytää > hakemasi. http://search.msn.fi