Re: laterals (was: Pharingials, /l/ vs. /r/ in Southeast Asia)

On Monday, February 9, 2004, at 03:17 PM, Dirk Elzinga wrote:

> On Saturday, February 7, 2004, at 11:05  AM, Ray Brown wrote:
[snip]
>> plosive'. I'd always understood it to be a lateral affricate, i.e.
>> [tK].
>> But then I recalled that
>> we anglophones readily substitute a palatal affricate [tS] for the
>> palatal
>>  plosive [c] in languages
>> like Malay /Indonesian. Am I guilty of the same 'slackness' with
>> regard to
>> Nahuatl's |tl|?
>
> I don't think so. All modern Nahuatl dialects have /tK/ for this
> affricate, so it seems most likely that the classical language (ca 1520
> AD) had this sound as well.
Thanks - nice to have that confirmed. So I've been saying it right all
along :)
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On Monday, February 9, 2004, at 04:39 PM, Joe wrote:
[snip]
> When I try to do a plosive in the same position as [tK], it sounds
> absolutely nothing like [tK]....
Quite so. When I attempt to pronounce it with just plosion and no friction
in the release of the stop, the result sounds as tho some one's trying to
gag me - as you say, nothing like [tK].

So I'm still puzzled by by Javier's "lateral plosive".  What is it?

Ray
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