Re: laterals (was: Pharingials, /l/ vs. /r/ in Southeast Asia)

Dirk Elzinga wrote:

> On Saturday, February 7, 2004, at 11:05  AM, Ray Brown wrote:
>
>> On Friday, February 6, 2004, at 10:21 AM, Andreas Johansson wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not clear how this differs, or if it differs,
>>> from a voiced lateral affricate at the same POA, but abscence of
>>> friction
>>> could be a possibility.
>>
>>
>> It did occur to me after writing the email that the |tl| in Nahuatl
>> might
>> denote this 'lateral
>> plosive'. I'd always understood it to be a lateral affricate, i.e.
>> [tK].
>> But then I recalled that
>> we anglophones readily substitute a palatal affricate [tS] for the
>> palatal
>>  plosive [c] in languages
>> like Malay /Indonesian. Am I guilty of the same 'slackness' with
>> regard to
>> Nahuatl's |tl|?
>
>
> I don't think so. All modern Nahuatl dialects have /tK/ for this
> affricate, so it seems most likely that the classical language (ca 1520
> AD) had this sound as well.

When I try to do a plosive in the same position as [tK], it sounds
absolutely nothing like [tK]....