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Re: derivation help?

From:Clinton Moreland-Stringham <arachnis@...>
Date:Saturday, December 4, 1999, 0:08
Nik Taylor wrote:

> > What I've been doing is taking Old irish words, deriving them in my > > head to what I think they should be, and then backtracking to how I > > got there. > > Interesting method.
It's called analeptic thought. It;s how Einstein made his great theor= ies, and how inspiration works. Read david Bohm's works for more on it - it's terribly= exciting!!
> > OI. odb 'knot in wood' > A. ydh > > Is {y} =3D /y/? >
yep. Though at a later time it falls/will fall/will have fallen toget= her with /i/.
> > -svarabhakti (OI. db pronounced /Dv/ >/Div/) > > What's svarabhakti? >
Svarabhakti is the insertion of vowels to ease pronunciation. At leas= t, that's how I understand it. I could be way wrong. Any better definitions out there? a= n example is in the /j/ between the vowels in the English vowel cluster -ia-, as in dial = /daij@l/.
> > OI.salann 'salt' > A. sal > > - simplification of final C or cluster > > - loss of final C > > Perhaps sepecifically loss of nasals, possibly through an intermediate > nasalization?
Good idea. I'll note it down - thanks!
> > OI. dobur 'water' > A. d=FAr (u with acute accent =3D long) > > - b>w/V_V > > - simplification of vowel cluster (owu>=FA) > > Hmm, seems to me that /owu/ --> /ow/ --> /o:/ would be more likely?
My thought was that -wu- fell together first as -u:- which then absor= bed the o. I'll look into your idea though - it does have its merit.
> > - vocalization of /X/ (as in Old English) > > - diphthongization of V (a>ae) OR lengthening of V (a>aa/=E1) > > which makes more sense in terms of treatment of that vowel? a=
nd how come the
> > finals weren't lost? Which derivation do you like more? > > Personally, I'd prefer to use /ax/ --> /a:/.
That seems to be consensus, and I'm in on that vote. /ax/>/a:/ it is.
> > OI. scethach 'emetic' > A. syetha/sietha (same problem as above) > > -sc>sy/#_ > > -loss of final C > > why no loss of final V? > > Perhaps: > > syethach --> syeth=E1 --> syetha? >
Yep - that's what it was! By the way, sy =3D /S/. Anyone think sy or = si is better for this? I like sy because s palatized sounds like /S/. but it's spelled si = in Welsh. Votes?
> But, if there's a lot of homophones, you can always deal with that by > semantic shift, i.e., another, non-homophonous word, taking over one of > a potentially confusing pair, or just using compounding to deal with > those confusions. If "eye" and "ear" were homophones, say "seeing eye" > and "hearing ear", or something like that.
That's what I'm going to do, I think. At a late period in Aelya's dev= elopment, compounding such as has never been seen before!! Lots and lots! By the way, Thanks to everyone!! Finally, after 7+ years of flopping around on wh= at Aelya is/was/will be, I've finally found what to do and where it will go. Thank= s for all your patience! Clint