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Re: USAGE: OE pt was Re: USAGE:Yet another few questions about Welsh.

From:Tristan Mc Leay <kesuari@...>
Date:Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 10:43
Joe wrote:
> > Why did OE have both þ and ð, anyway? It could have done perfectly well > with just one. Maybe they were originally coined to represent [T] and > [D], but then someone got confused.
IIUC, it was simply that when confronted with this unwriteable phoneme, one group of scribes (mostly Irish/Celtic, I understand) put a slash through <d> (with, then, was of course curvy like an eth is still), and the other (presumably English/germanic) latinised the Runic thorn. They both simply stayed in competition with each other for a while. I believe the current voiced interpretation of eth comes from the fact that in at least some areas (i suppose more northerly, otherwise the initial voicing rule would make this rule nonsense), thorn was used word-initially (where it represented [T]) and eth word-medially and -finally (where it often represented [D]). I suppose similarities between eth and d helped it along. -- Tristan. | To be nobody-but-yourself in a world kesuari at yahoo!.com.au | which is doing its best to, night and day, | to make you everybody else--- | means to fight the hardest battle | which any human being can fight; | and never stop fighting. | --- E. E. Cummings, "A Miscellany"

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