Re: USAGE: OE pt was Re: USAGE:Yet another few questions about Welsh.

Tristan Mc Leay wrote:
> IIUC, it was simply that when confronted with this unwriteable
> phoneme, one group of scribes (mostly Irish/Celtic, I understand)
> put a slash through <d> (with, then, was of course curvy like an eth
> is still), and the other (presumably English/germanic) latinised the
> Runic thorn. They both simply stayed in competition with each other
> for a while.
I've found the follwowing:

"The Runes called thorn and wn, having the consonantal values now
expressed by i/i and w, for which the Roman alphabet had no character,
were at first expressed by lh; ~ (a contraction for 83 or ~h), and v
or U; but at a later period the characters 1~ and p were revived from
the old Runic alphabet."

This is from:
http://58.1911encyclopedia.org/E/EN/ENGLISH_LANGUAGE.htm

Unfortunately, that page is a rather poor scan, so the special symbols
must be guessed. Some are easy: "i/i" must mean <th>, "1~" thorn, and
"p" wynn (which is spelt "wn"). The most tricky is "lh; ~ (a
contraction for 83 or ~h)". I guess it must refer to eth, though I
can't figure out the special signs.

However, it could be that this information is outdated.

There's also a mention of "Menzies, Daiziel, Cockenzie, and the word
gaberlunzie".

g_0ry@_ˆs:
j. 'mach' wust