Re: IPA griefs

On Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:17:27 -0400, Yoon Ha Lee <yl112@...> wrote:

>On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, Danny Wier wrote:
>
>> The term varies. I've seen "postalveolar", "prepalatal",
>> "palatoalveolar". Never use the term "palatal" however; that's reserved
>> for the likes of IPA /c/, /ç/, /j/ "key", "ich" (German) and "you".
>
>Waitasec--now *I'm* confused.  I thought English "k" was /k/.  _The
>Korean Alphabet_ lists "j" (McCune-Reischauer transliteration of Korean)
>as /c/ and "ch" as /c^h/ (aspirate), so I thought /c/ was something very
>similar to English /dZ/.  /c/ really is as in "key"?  <confusion>  I was
>so happy to know what the IPA's for Korean sounds were, and now it seems
>something is very wrong here!
English /k/ has various allophones, but "k" in "key" is definitely
aspirated. I don't pronounce "k" in "key" anything like [c_h], but I can
imagine that being possible in some dialects. A narrow transcription of
"key" might be something like ['k_h_ji:] (palatalized and aspirated).

It's hard to come up with good examples of languages that definitely have a
[c] sound, but I believe Hungarian is one. An example from Gjarrda:

kjik: http://www.io.com/~hmiller/audio/j-cik.ra

>While I'm at it, is /x/ as in German "ach"?  Or do I have that one wrong,
>too?
I think German "ach" is more like /X/ (uvular) than /x/ (velar).

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