Re: USAGE: Shaw alphabet (was Re: USAGE: Con-graphies)

staving Charlie:
> >>caeruleancentaur wrote:
>
> >>For me, "dance" has the same vowel sound as is found in ant, aunt,
> >>answer, pants, rancid, etc.  It seems to be a more closed sound.
> >>Does anyone know what I am talking about?
>
> >Joe <joe@...> wrote:
>
> >As far as I can tell, [&] seems to break in American dialects before
> >nasals.  So, 'dance' is /d&ns/ [d&@ns].  That's just from my
> >rightpondian perspective though.
>
>That is some help, thanks.  The X-SAMPA chart that I have gives the
>Swedish word "drømme" as the example for /&/.  That was no help to me
>at all.
Although it should be noted that the usual practice on the list is to use
CXS rather than pure X-SAMPA. The sound denoted /&/ in X-SAMPA is, IIRC, a
rounded sound, while the unrounded sound ("a" as in "cat") is denoted /}/
or something like that. Consensus on the list was that this was
unsatisfactory, so we reversed it in CXS.

Pete