Re: LONG: Latest Wenetaic Stuff

Nik writes:
>>>>>>
>         Personnally I'd better see {ph}->[P] (unvoiced bilabial frica=
tive),
> {th}->[T] and {kh}->[x] (invoiced velar fricative) to keep the PoAs o=
f
> the original phonemes
Well, depends on what /t/ is - if /t/ is alveolar, than /s/ would be
more likely than /T/.
<<<<<<
More has been said on this by Christope, we've discovered that <t> is d=
ental.

>>>>>>
> > khu - definately true
> > khk - seemingly/probably/partly true
> > yk  - indeterminate truth/falsehood
> > thk - seemingly/probably/partly false
> > thu - definately false
Must not've noticed this when I made my response.  Very interesting.
The only evidentiality I've heard of in natlangs (tho admittedly I
haven't researched ev. much) is *how* one knows, i.e., visual (saw the
event), cognitive (believe it), etc.  But this is rather interesting.
With belief, how would these be used?  Could you choose between khk, yk=
,
and thk depending on how strong your belief is?

> >  akhu, akhk, etc - personal experience
> >  okhu, okhk, etc - reported experience, imparted knowledge
> >  ukhu, ukhk, etc - deduced from plentiful evidence
> >  kkhu, kkhk, etc - implied from scant evidence
> >  ekhu, ekhk, etc - taken on faith, generally accepted
> >  ikhu, ikhk, etc - generally accepted, but disputed "here & now"
Wow!  Fascinating.
<<<<<<
Erm, first, let me clarify that all final <k>s in the examples above ar=
e
<e-umlaut>s that have been mangled somewhere along the way by someone o=
r others
mailserver.

The "truth value" evidentials are all down to a long rambling conversat=
ion that
was held on the list ... oh, erm ... must be nearly a year ago by now. =
 There
are natlang precedents, maybe it was (mumblemumble) who said something =
on the
subject?.  Anyone got a fulltext-searchable archive?  Anyhoo, nothing's=
 in W
(except the way roots work, and the gender system) that hasn't been dis=
cussed at
least peripherally on the list.

The forms kh=EB, y=EB and th=EB can work in very unexpected ways.  Thin=
k about
possible meanings of things like <-mith=EB-> <me.disbelieve.kinda-false=
> for an
idea of how the Wewnetaar might express matters of personal belief as o=
pposed to
general belief.  To say something about your own belief you have to be =
pretty
clear that you're being "unusual".


>>>>>>
Later, Paul Bennet wrote:

> I've kept meaning to go look up the ascii-ipa symbols, and
> somehow never managed to remember where they were.
http://www.cs.brown.edu/~dpb/ascii-ipa.html
<<<<<<

Ta much, Nik!



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