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Re: LONG: Latest Wenetaic Stuff

From:Paul Bennett <paul.bennett@...>
Date:Tuesday, October 26, 1999, 12:36
mathias writes:
Dans un courrier dat? du 26/10/99 10:43:48 , Paul a ?crit :
> Generally, most roots are noun-based. The verbal form of "x" is generally > translated "perform the action stereotypically associated with x". It's a > bit > rough and ready, and there's not much regularity beyond that rule. The
> of > "sun" is "shine", "wolf" <--> "hunt", "shovel" <--> "dig" and "fight" <--> > "fight". There are exceptions where the noun seems to be "the end result
> x-ing", eg, "wall" <--> "build" and "victory" <--> "win". As long as you > keep a > general idea of "act like an x" for the verbal form, and learn a few > exceptions, > you'll understand and be understood. >
er... yes, but. take "hole" *kuru(k). now does "*kukru" mean "to be a hole in" or "to be pierced a hole in" ? and anyway, how do you derive "to be pierced", "to pierce", etc. ? <<<<<< *kukru would probably be "to make a hole in, to pierce". There's no real regularity in how it works, and I think the exact definitions depend fairly largely on context. They're learned forms, and potentially no more troubling for a first language speaker than the semirandom connection of verb + preposition in english to derive different verbs. (Ob nitpick: the correct dictionary form of <*kuru(k)> would be <*kuru>, as the additional consonant is the same as the inital consonant)
[snip very interesting fragment of tunu, I'm reading the grammar with interest...] so if you can do without these, i'm interested in knowing how. maybe you use auxiliaries like "to be", "to do", "to get ...ed", etc. ? <<<<<< I think Wenetaic is going to try and exist with neither (true) copula nor passivity. If a man bites a dog, it's a single event in semantic space, to a Wenetaar, "looking at it from another direction" would seem pointless and tautological. I'll probably have to give in and accept some auxiliaries, though. You've set me thinking... more later... ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been scanned for the presence of computer viruses. *************************************************************