Re: LONG: Latest Wenetaic Stuff

Paul Bennett <Paul.Bennett@...> wrote:

> /4/ is something like /t/, /d/, /r/ and /l/ all rolled into one.
> Several English dialects use this consonant between unstressed vowels
> as an allophone of /t/ and /d/.
I think you're describing an alveolar flap (or tap), as is
found in Spanish and Japanese (of langs I know). It's a
"fish-hook r" in IPA; Kirshenbaum represents it /*/, which
is horrible. If you don't have any other sound of that type,
I think /r/ would be correct once you explain what it is.


> Doubled vowels are Long, marked (L) in the table above.  Here is /* a g=
uess at
> */ a list of appropriate IPA values.
> i    smallcap-i
> e    turned-smallcap-3
> a    turned-a
> u   turned-smallcap-omega
> =EB    schwa
> o  turned-script-a
In Kirshenbaum and/or SAMPA, those would be:

i =3D /I/
e =3D /E/
a =3D /6/ (SAMPA)
u =3D /U/
=EB =3D /@/
o =3D /Q/ (SAMPA), /A./ (Kirsh.)

I think I lost Don Blaheta's URL...


>Consonant Clusters
Two rules are present which seem to make most consonant clusters
pronounceable.  /* These are thanks to comments made by Nik Taylor on
the CONLANG mailing list about clusters like /et_hke/ being hard to
pronounce */

> 1. Post-stop nasals are realised as voiced stops at their original
> POA, ie {etnge} -> [etge]
I'd have regressive voicing there instead ({etnge}=3D*[etNe] > [edNe]).
As for /et_hke/, it could give [et_hk_he] or [etke] (that is, spreading
(non-)aspiration backwards or forwards).

> 2. Pre-stop aspirated consonants are realised as fricatives near
> their original POA, ie {ethke} -> [eTke]
> The actual fricatives they become are:
>  {ph} -> [f]
>  {th} -> [T]
>  {kh} -> [C](SAMPA) the sound in German "ich"
Oh, that's certainly a good idea too! But why does [k_h] become
[C] and not [x] (the sound in German "ach")?