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Re: LONG: Latest Wenetaic Stuff

From:Nik Taylor <fortytwo@...>
Date:Tuesday, October 26, 1999, 23:03
"Grandsire, C.A." wrote:
> So there can be a long schwa? Is there a natlang precedent?
Sure, English: "uh ..." (/@:::/) :-)
> Personnally I'd better see {ph}->[P] (unvoiced bilabial fricative), > {th}->[T] and {kh}->[x] (invoiced velar fricative) to keep the PoAs of > the original phonemes
Well, depends on what /t/ is - if /t/ is alveolar, than /s/ would be more likely than /T/.
> > khu - definately true > > khk - seemingly/probably/partly true > > yk - indeterminate truth/falsehood > > thk - seemingly/probably/partly false > > thu - definately false
Must not've noticed this when I made my response. Very interesting. The only evidentiality I've heard of in natlangs (tho admittedly I haven't researched ev. much) is *how* one knows, i.e., visual (saw the event), cognitive (believe it), etc. But this is rather interesting. With belief, how would these be used? Could you choose between khk, yk, and thk depending on how strong your belief is?
> > akhu, akhk, etc - personal experience > > okhu, okhk, etc - reported experience, imparted knowledge > > ukhu, ukhk, etc - deduced from plentiful evidence > > kkhu, kkhk, etc - implied from scant evidence > > ekhu, ekhk, etc - taken on faith, generally accepted > > ikhu, ikhk, etc - generally accepted, but disputed "here & now"
Wow! Fascinating. Later, Paul Bennet wrote:
> I've kept meaning to go look up the ascii-ipa symbols, and > somehow never managed to remember where they were. -- "Cats are rather delicate creatures and they are subject to a good many ailments, but I never heard of one who suffered from insomnia." -- Joseph Wood Krutch ICQ #: 18656696 AIM screen-name: NikTailor