Theiling Online    Sitemap    Conlang Mailing List HQ   

Re: Country names

From:John Cowan <cowan@...>
Date:Monday, May 12, 2003, 11:33
Tristan McLeay scripsit:

> But be glad I don't come Queensland. There, the evening begins at noon
This was traditionally true in the Southern U.S. also; Confederate influence on Qld dialect, maybe?
> (I don't know of > any word with unvoiced <zz> or <v>, but do know of at least 'dessert')
Wijk says that the only words with "ss" that are regularly pronounced voiced (at least in RP and GA, the dialects he considers) are dessert, dissolve, hussar (which surprised me), possess, scissors, and sometimes hussy (which also surprised me). Regularly unvoiced v does not occur according to him, and as for zz, it appears only in a few oddball words like jazz, fizz, buzz, dazzle, sizzle (excluding of course automatic doubling as in quizzing). Single z is unvoiced only after t, as in waltz, chintz, ersatz, and quartz.
> Hence also pointing out the -th- in metho<methylated spirits > wasn't voiced.
/D/ is a dead phoneme in English, and new words essentially never use it. It appears only intervocalically from the general voicing of intervocalic fricatives, finally where a final -e has been lost (breathe, e.g.), and initially in inherited structure words (the, them, their, those, etc. etc.)
> If I was after words that were part of WSE, I would've chosen 'dessert', > and 'carve'; I can't think of one with -zz- of the top of my head.
You devoice the v in carve, making it [ka:f]? -- John Cowan jcowan@reutershealth.com www.reutershealth.com www.ccil.org/~cowan "The exception proves the rule." Dimbulbs think: "Your counterexample proves my theory." Latin students think "'Probat' means 'tests': the exception puts the rule to the proof." But legal historians know it means "Evidence for an exception is evidence of the existence of a rule in cases not excepted from."

Reply

Tristan McLeay <kesuari@...>