Re: Colloquial German, experiencers and the construct state

funny, how similar coll Swedish and coll Dutch are!

3d person plural nominative 'zij' is replaced in the lower registers of
coll Dutch by accusative/dative 'hun', just like Sw 'de' by 'dom'

Standard Dutch:

zij hebben nieuwe schoenen
they have new shoes

Coll Dutch:

hun hebben nieuwe schoenen
them have new shoes

'Hun' as nominative is considered very ugly by many people, but almost
everyone uses it, especially with emphasis. It cannot be written though...

Ingmar

On Thu,18 Aug 2005 15:47:52 +0200, Andreas Johansson <andjo@...> wrote:

>Now it gets funny; in lower registers, you add another pronoun:
>[3] Erik och Marie, dom är galna dom.
>"Erik and Marie, they're crazy they".
>
>(The pronoun alternation _de_~_dom_ is just an issue of register. In
fact, you'd
>probably say, if not write, _dom_ in [2] too, but using _de_ in [3] would
jar my
>ears. You might also go all dialectal and substitute _di_, _re_, or
_rom_. In
>fact, there seems to be an altogether inordinate number of versions of 3rd
>pronouns floating around; sticking to my 'lect, written _det_ can
correspond to
>[de:t], [de:], [de], [4E], [Et] and [t].)