Re: Combined Cases? and NP?
From: | Philippe Caquant <herodote92@...> |
Date: | Friday, February 13, 2004, 8:16 |
Yes, that looks rather similar to my proposition about
'They found a plain in the land of Shinar'. Please
excuse me to quote myself:
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Philippe said:
I would analyse the sentence somehow like:
plain-ACC Shinar-XXX-land-LOC 3PLHUM-find-PAST-3SGINA
where:
- ACC is Accusative
- XXX is a case that doesn't exist in your system, and
would be something like a 'Callative', meaning that
it's the name of the referred land
- LOC is Locative, but should be precised as Inessive
for ex (inside, no movement)
- 3PLHUM is 3rd Person Plural Human
- PAST is Past
- 3SGINA is 3rd Person Singular Inanimated [...]
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The form 'Shinar-XXX-land-LOC' looks very much like
Basque combined cases, and although I'm not Basque, it
came naturally to my mind (another possibility would
be to consider 'Shinar' as an adjective, thus: 'in
Shinarian land'). The use of the genitive seems
semantically unadequate to me, we only think of it
because in English and French we use 'OF' or 'DE', but
that doesn't mean that whatever follows those
prepositions should be a genitive.
<christophe.grandsire@...> wrote:
> En réponse à Carsten Becker :
> Well, no. In Latin you just cannot add case endings
> onto each others. A
> single noun has a single case. However, other
> languages can do that.
> Basque, for instance, has no problem combining cases
> together (one being
> usually one of the genitives). The common example I
> give is "urre": "gold"
> -> "urrez": "with gold" (instrumental case) ->
> "urrezko erraztuna": "the
> golden ring" ("-ko": locative genitive).
>
> Christophe Grandsire.
>
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Philippe Caquant
"Le langage est source de malentendus."
(Antoine de Saint-Exupery)
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