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Re: The lost indo-european tongue (was: the lost romance tongue)

From:Padraic Brown <pbrown@...>
Date:Monday, January 31, 2000, 20:17
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, yl-ruil wrote:

>On Monday, January 31, 2000 2:24 AM raccoon wrote: > >> > moigator = change- present 3rd person singular mediopassive indicative >> > moigamosae = change- present 1st person plural passive indicative. >> >> This and Padraic's IE language look really cool, but then I'm a PIE buff. >> However, I thought there was only one passive-like voice in PIE, called >> variously middle, passive, or mediopassive depending on which daughter >> language one is referring to. Non? > >Indeed. As far as I know PIE only had two voices: active and mediopassive >(note that mediopassives in -r are a particularly archaic feature found in >Celtic - the welsh impersonal inflection - and Latin, and of course Aredos).
Also retained in Kernu (Romance conlang).
>However, following Sanskrit (which has active, mediopassive and passive) and >ancient Greek (likewise), I added the passive inflection. This innovation >dates to the early Carastic period of Aredos. It simply adds -ae to the >person ending (note ae = ai).
Also Hittite has forms in -r, if I remember right. Tocharian as well.
>Here's another example of Aredos (I'm sure Padraic will provide us with >another example of Tallarian if we ask nicely. What does Tallarian mean, >BTW?). This is one of many Aredos proverbs: >ne ommis cuí caenans habent, caenatores senti "Not all who have flutes are >flautists".
Tallarhas is what they call themselves, which is a compound meaning "lords of the land". [tallar, land; arhus, lords]. [j] becomes [h], so [arjo-] > [arhU-]. The rightest name for the language might be Tenchhar Arusa, or Lordly Tongue; Tallarian(a) is simply the local Roman name for the language, since the Romans there are big on history and culture and linguistics; and they have the universities to put them in. Literally, the above would be: (asomti) hhamawarhirus-na alomas wasememt hhamar-can. (are) flautists-and.not at.all resting flute-the [as'Umti ,xamawarhir'USn@ ,alUmas 'was@m@mt 'xamarkan] There is no verb for "have", so the locution "it rests at" with the locative or dative is used; in this case dative, because there is no loc. plural. Thus: "They are not flautists, to all (there is) resting a flute." This kind of resting is always M-P. The big long word breaks down as "flute-doing-man/woman". hhamar ['xamar] is a borrowing from a substrate language, meaning "lovely sound" used specifically for side blown flutes. The end blown sort are called fflaahostar ['Pla:ho(s/S)tar], meaning "blow-bone". Both are neuter gender and are thus in the -r declension (like English "water" or better ON "vatr"). The only case ending found in this class is the gen. sing. -usa; whereas all the other forms are bare stems (-r/-n variable). This post also has examples of all three 'h' sounds in T. Linguists call them h1, h2 and h3. The first is the simple [h], romanised as h, and derives from certain voiceless sounds, IE kw being the most prominent. The second is "barred h", a rather back-of-the-throat pharyngeal (I think all the terms are right), romanised chh, and derives from certain voiced sounds, like IE gh. The third is [x], and is romanised hh, and is derived from adstrate [g]. Padraic.