The lost indo-european tongue (was: the lost romance tongue)
|Date:||Sunday, January 30, 2000, 23:10|
On Sunday, January 30, Padraic Brown wrote
> >A quick example, displaying the mediopassive and the passive:
> >daeros moigator, ca con illom moigamosae "Times change, and we arechanged
> >with them".
> Neat. Is ca "we" or "and"? And is daeros from a non-IE root?
Ca is "and", a later form of "cue", from the IE *kwe (cf. the Latin
clitic -que, -cue can also be used as a clitic in Aredos, but not ca). As I
recall, I derived daeros from IE *di-, meaning "divide, set apart". The
original sense of daeros was "hour, period of time", but it later came to
mean "time in general", note that it is a singular noun "times" is daerí. A
proper morphological breakdown of the phrase is:
daeros = time- nominative
moigator = change- present 3rd person singular mediopassive indicative
ca = and
con = with, by
illom = it- accusative 3rd person singular
moigamosae = change- present 1st person plural passive indicative.
Aredos is quite a subtle language, and some things should be pointed out.
The use of the mediopassive in the first verb indicates that time is
changing purely for its own benifit. The secoond clause, ca con illom
moigamosae, uses con "with" which has a comitative sense: we are changed not
by the time, but at the same time, if we were changed _by_ the time illos
would be illó, in the instrumental. The use of the passive indicates that we
have no control over the happenings.
> In Tallarian, it would be:
> warta tiwas-coi, mes-pa tas-com wartere
> changes times-the we-likewise them-with (are) change(d)
> T. doesn't differentiate M-P and passive.
> warta (wartim, to spin, change, twist) 3.s.pres.M-P.indic
> tiwas (tiwas, day; age) common.pl.nom
> -coi (cos, the) C.pl.nom
> mes (mes, we plural) pl.nom
> -pa (pa, and likewise) conjunction
> tas (tas, the) C.pl.acc
> com (com, with) really takes abl., loc. or inst. but those cases
> are lacking in the plural
> wartere (wartim) 1.pl.pres.M-P.indic
Is Tallarian an IE language? It certainly looks like one.