From: "David Barrow" <davidab@...>
Subject: Re: Insult (jara: Weekly Vocab 8)
> Joseph Fatula wrote:
>
> > From: "David Barrow" <davidab@...>
> > Subject: Re: Insult (jara: Weekly Vocab 8)
> >
> > > > > [j@ mVD@ w@z@ h&mst@ n= dj@ fA:D@ smEut@v Eud@bEriz]
> > > > >
> > > > > [w@z@ h&mst@] can also be [w@zn= &mst@] with h dropping
> > > > >
> > > > > [n= dj@] or [n= j@] or even [n= dZ@]
> > > >
> > > > "Yuh mutha wuzzen amsta india fottha smote of odaberries."
> > > >
> > > > For me, /dj/ always becomes /dZj/, just as /tj/ > /tSj/. That's why
> > writing
> > > > something to be pronounced [n=dj@] is hard. Do you not have any L
> > sound?
> > >
> > > smote? odaberries?
> > >
> > > I think you're confusing [Eu] with [@U]
> >
> > No, I understand how [Eu] sounds, as well as [@U]. If I saw "smote" or
> > "oda", I'd pronounce the vowel as [ou]. I couldn't think of any way of
> > spelling [Eu], as it's not a combination I ever use in English. [ou]
was
> > the closest I could find.
>
> would smeoot and eoodaberries work?
That would be [ju], as [smjut] and [jud@bEriz].
> > > india?
> >
> > "india" for [n=dj@]?
> > "india" sounds like [Indi@]
> > So how would I spell [n=dj@]? This is a problem. First, I don't have
any
> > initial [n=] in my dialect, so I'm approximating it for spelling with
[In],
> > [I] being the vowel that sounds closest to [n] to my mind. Then there's
the
> > [dj] > [dZj] that takes place in my dialect. So in order to get [dj],
I'm
> > using [di], which is pretty close.
>
> If you had to include a vowel with a final syllabic "n" would it also be
|i|
If I had to include a vowel with a final syllabic "n"? I'm not sure I
understand what you're asking me. I have syllabic "n" in final position in
my dialect, so I never "have" to include a vowel with a final "n", if that's
what you mean. For example, "button" is [b@?n].
> what about [dy] indya endya andya undya? my |i| is not consonantal in the
way my
> |y| is.
Good idea. Trouble is, "indya" looks really weird, as we don't really have
too many spellings like this. There's a singer with the name Mya pronounced
as [maja], as |y| often represents long-i, |ai|. The spelling "indya" could
elicit [Indaja] too easily.
> >
> > > fottha for fA:D@ very American; we would never use |o| for [A:]
> >
> > How about "hot" or "rock" or "Scott"? How do you pronounce those? The
> > vowel of "father" is definitely an [a] for me, distinct from [A], so I
need
> > to make it clear that the word I'm trying to write is [fAD@], not
[faD@].
>
> the o is [Q] in the three.
I see. I don't have a [Q] sound, [A] being my closest equivalent.
> Is your "ah" [a] or [A] how about fahtha?
"ah" would probably represent [a], as in the word [faDr] over here. So to
represent your [A], I need to spell it in some way other than "ah" or "a".