Re: Insult (jara: Weekly Vocab 8)

Joseph Fatula wrote:

> From: "David Barrow" <davidab@...>
> Subject: Re: Insult (jara: Weekly Vocab 8)
>
> >  > [j@ mVD@ w@z@ h&mst@ n= dj@ fA:D@ smEut@v Eud@bEriz]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [w@z@ h&mst@] can also be [w@zn= &mst@] with h dropping
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [n= dj@] or [n= j@] or even [n= dZ@]
> > > > >
> > > > > "Yuh mutha wuzzen amsta india fottha smote of odaberries."
> > > > >
> >
> > > "india" for [n=dj@]?
> > > "india" sounds like [Indi@]
> > > So how would I spell [n=dj@]?  This is a problem.  First, I don't have
> any
> > > initial [n=] in my dialect, so I'm approximating it for spelling with
> [In],
> > > [I] being the vowel that sounds closest to [n] to my mind.  Then there's
> the
> > > [dj] > [dZj] that takes place in my dialect.  So in order to get [dj],
> I'm
> > > using [di], which is pretty close.
> >
> > If you had to include a vowel with a final syllabic "n" would it also be
> |i|
>
> If I had to include a vowel with a final syllabic "n"?  I'm not sure I
> understand what you're asking me.  I have syllabic "n" in final position in
> my dialect, so I never "have" to include a vowel with a final "n", if that's
> what you mean.  For example, "button" is [b@?n].
>
I meant in the spelling. For example above you have [w@zn] as wuzzen whereas
with n= dj@ you have india; final |en| versus initial |in| why have different
spellings?

>
> > what about [dy] indya endya andya undya? my |i| is not consonantal in the
> way my
> > |y| is.
>
> Good idea.  Trouble is, "indya" looks really weird, as we don't really have
> too many spellings like this.  There's a singer with the name Mya pronounced
> as [maja], as |y| often represents long-i, |ai|.  The spelling "indya" could
> elicit [Indaja] too easily.
>
[dj] ?

>
> > >
> > > > fottha for fA:D@ very American; we would never use |o| for [A:]
> > >
> > > How about "hot" or "rock" or "Scott"?  How do you pronounce those?  The
> > > vowel of "father" is definitely an [a] for me, distinct from [A], so I
> need
> > > to make it clear that the word I'm trying to write is [fAD@], not
> [faD@].
> >
> > the o is [Q] in the three.
>
> I see.  I don't have a [Q] sound, [A] being my closest equivalent.
>
> > Is your "ah" [a] or [A] how about fahtha?
>
> "ah" would probably represent [a], as in the word [faDr] over here.  So to
> represent your [A], I need to spell it in some way other than "ah" or "a".
Is there no word in in your accent where [A] has |a| in the spelling?


David Barrow

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