Relay: 10. From Gladilation to Pfinnapex
| From: | Sally Caves <scaves@...> |
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nicole perrin wrote:
> With some trouble and lots of notes from Dennis, I was able to send the
> following to Adam. I should also note, although I hadn=92t told Adam,
> that the subjunctive is always used in subclauses or relative phrases:
>=20
> First, I'll put the whole poem. Then, line by line, I'll divide it int=
o
> morphemes, which I'll translate, with notes beneath each line. If you
> need more help, feel free to ask.
>=20
> acc - accusative
> dat - dative
> gen - genitive
> inst - instrumental
> subj - subjunctive
> aug - augmentative
> dem - demonstrative
> opp - opposite
> def - definite
> pl - plural
> sg - singular
> imp - imperative
> inf - infinitive
>=20
> Where unspecified, verbs are present indicative and nouns are
> nominative. Word order is SOV, except in subclauses, where it is SVO.
>=20
> Pfinnganngexi pfinngunsixan pyfinfinitik pfinfilfiltik lysruli
>=20
> Rina pfintynulput, lo fiklito titlespet pfyt, pinxyli
> Rina nixpit, lo fiklito nganrekngepet, pinxyli
> Ngi ngupngyng paxsifiki nganpaxfenepfapat rinasak, lo pinxylito,
> roksatli
> Xinxin, pfop sototo pfinnganngexitik lysrulito pfyt pipinxy, ngengaliti.
>=20
> Rina pfinsepfepet, lo fiklito fulerpet pfinxikilsik, lutli
> Rina pfintinxepet, lo kuxsuflito larsyspfapat ferykyng, lutli
> Rina pfinsypfilpit pfinpforfatak lyxxanxantak lutli
> Xinxin, pfop tepfyfy pfinnganngexitik lysrulito pfyt lut, ngengaliti.
> ---
I'm putting your smooth translation up front here, Nicole! Hope you
don't mind:
The Great Mother is the creator of this poem about the stories.
She hears the wind which gives good health
She hears a river which gives much food
Because unwanted distance causes great unhappiness for She who listens
Let us declare that the Great Mother's ears are good at listening.
She sees the tree (or wood) that strengthens the home
she sees the child who covers darkness with fear
She sees the end of lovers' passion
Let us declare that the Great Mother's eyes are good at seeing.
>=20
> Pfinnganngexi pfinngunsixan pyfinfinitik pfinfilfiltik lysruli
> Pfin.ngan.ngexi pfin.ngunsixan pyfin.fini.tik pfin.fil.fil.tik lysru.li
>=20
> def.aug.mother def.creator dem.poem.gen def.story.pl.gen be.pres
>=20
> This is the title of the poem. A noun in the genitive case comes after
> the noun it modifies.
> ---
>=20
> Rina pfintynulput, lo fiklito titlespet pfyt, pinxyli
> Rina pfin.tynul.put, lo fik.li.to titles.pet pfyt, pinxy.li
>=20
> 3sg def.wind.acc, that give.pres.subj health.acc good, hear.pres
>=20
> Although Rina can be he or she, I take it to refer to Pfinnganngexi,
> which would make it she
> ---
>=20
> Rina nixpit, lo fiklito nganrekngepet, pinxyli
> Rina nix.pit, lo fik.li.to ngan.reknge.pet, pinxy.li
>=20
> 3sg water.acc, which give.pres.subj aug.food.acc, hear.pres
> ---
>=20
> Ngi ngupngyng paxsifiki nganpaxfenepfapat rinasak, lo pinxylito,
> roksatli
> Ngi ngupngyng pax.sifiki ngan.pax.fenepfa.pat rina.sak, lo pinxy.li.to,
> roksat.li
>=20
> Because distance opp.wanted aug.opp.happiness.acc 3sg.dat, that
> listen.pres.subj, make.pres.ind
>=20
> roksatli can also be translated as cause, or make to do/be. Adjectives
> come after the noun they modify, as do relative phrases, which are
> introduced by lo. (this is relevant for above lines as well)
> ---
>=20
> Xinxin, pfop sototo pfinnganngexitik lysrulito pfyt pipinxy, ngengaliti.
> Xin.xin, pfop soto.to pfin.ngan.ngexi.tik lysru.li.to pfyt pipinxy,
> ngenga.li.ti.
>=20
> 1pl, that ear.pl def.aug.mother.gen be.pres.subj good listen.inf,
> assert.pres.imp
>=20
> The use of an imperative with the 1pl pronoun is much like in French,
> where it represents the construction "let's (do something)"
> ---
>=20
> Rina pfinsepfepet, lo fiklito fulerpet pfinxikilsik, lutli
> Rina pfin.sepfe.pet, lo fik.li.to fuler.pet pfin.xikil.sik, lut.li
>=20
> 3sg def.tree.acc, which give.pres.subj strength.acc def.home.dat,
> see.pres
>=20
> xikil has the meaning of both house and home.
> ---
>=20
> Rina pfintinxepet, lo kuxsuflito larsyspfapat ferykyng, lutli
> Rina pfin.tinxe.pet, lo kuxsuf.li.to larsyspfa.pat fery.kyng, lut.li
>=20
> 3sg def.child.acc, which cover.pres.subj darkness.acc fear.inst,
> see.pres
>=20
> Neither I, Dennis, nor Irina (the two people ahead of me in the relay)
> quite understand what this line is supposed to mean.
> ---
>=20
> Rina pfinsypfilpit pfinpforfatak lyxxanxantak lutli
> Rina pfin.sypfil.pit pfin.pforfa.tak lyxxan.xan.tak lut.li
>=20
> 3sg def.end.acc def.passion.gen lover.pl.gen see.pres
> ---
>=20
> Xinxin, pfop tepfyfy pfinnganngexitik lysrulito pfyt lut, ngengaliti.
> Xin.xin, pfop tepfy.fy pfin.ngan.ngexi.tik lysru.li.to pfyt lut,
> ngenga.li.ti.
>=20
> 1pl, that eye.pl def.aug.mother.gen be.pres.subj good see.inf,
> assert.pres
>=20
> I would smoothly translate this into English as:
>=20
> The Great Mother is the creator of this poem about the stories
>=20
> She hears the wind which gives good health
> She hears a river which gives much food
> Because unwanted distance causes great unhappiness for She who listens
> Let us declare that the Great Mother=92s ears are good at listening
>=20
> She sees the tree (or wood) that strengthens the home
> She sees the child who covers darkness with fear
> She sees the end of lovers=92 passion
> Let us declare that the Great Mother=92s eyes are good at seeing
>=20
> --Nicole
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Niffodyr tweluenrem lis teuim an.
"The gods have retractible claws."
from _The Gospel of Bastet_
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Here it is again Sally, sorry again to hold things up!
Nicole
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Subject: Re: relay: Gladilation to Pfinnapax
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Okay, first I=92ll give the Gladilation as I received it, then my
Pfinnapax translation, then a smooth English translation of my
Pfinnapax.
This is the Gladilation I received from Dennis:
Fetmep mep slfonatop nvet mewemsly nrau
Fmep hyamzetot hluryt vra hsmona fetfmep xvenlyma vu snau u.
Fmep hyahu hluryt vra hsmo fetfmep xvenlyma vu snau u.
Xa lrmneu hnyryk we slwlrnsawaot fetfmep xvenlyma vu snau u.
Soslfonatop fsusymy mnefmu xrtnfu nryxunuhu.
Fmep mzase hyazyozaot hluryt o fetfmep xvehehna vu snau u.
Fmep senyu fetmnyma hamrau wlaot fetfmep xvehehna vu snau u.
Fmep sefsumfeap melarek fethrona vzut nzoxak fetfmep xvehehna vu snau u.
Soslfonatop fsuwyet mnefmu xrtnfu nryxunuhu.
With some trouble and lots of notes from Dennis, I was able to send the
following to Adam. I should also note, although I hadn=92t told Adam,
that the subjunctive is always used in subclauses or relative phrases:
First, I'll put the whole poem. Then, line by line, I'll divide it into
morphemes, which I'll translate, with notes beneath each line. If you
need more help, feel free to ask.
acc - accusative
dat - dative
gen - genitive
inst - instrumental
subj - subjunctive
aug - augmentative
dem - demonstrative
opp - opposite
def - definite
pl - plural
sg - singular
imp - imperative
inf - infinitive
Where unspecified, verbs are present indicative and nouns are
nominative. Word order is SOV, except in subclauses, where it is SVO.
Pfinnganngexi pfinngunsixan pyfinfinitik pfinfilfiltik lysruli
Rina pfintynulput, lo fiklito titlespet pfyt, pinxyli
Rina nixpit, lo fiklito nganrekngepet, pinxyli
Ngi ngupngyng paxsifiki nganpaxfenepfapat rinasak, lo pinxylito,
roksatli
Xinxin, pfop sototo pfinnganngexitik lysrulito pfyt pipinxy, ngengaliti.
Rina pfinsepfepet, lo fiklito fulerpet pfinxikilsik, lutli
Rina pfintinxepet, lo kuxsuflito larsyspfapat ferykyng, lutli
Rina pfinsypfilpit pfinpforfatak lyxxanxantak lutli
Xinxin, pfop tepfyfy pfinnganngexitik lysrulito pfyt lut, ngengaliti.
---
Pfinnganngexi pfinngunsixan pyfinfinitik pfinfilfiltik lysruli
Pfin.ngan.ngexi pfin.ngunsixan pyfin.fini.tik pfin.fil.fil.tik lysru.li
def.aug.mother def.creator dem.poem.gen def.story.pl.gen be.pres
This is the title of the poem. A noun in the genitive case comes after
the noun it modifies.
---
Rina pfintynulput, lo fiklito titlespet pfyt, pinxyli
Rina pfin.tynul.put, lo fik.li.to titles.pet pfyt, pinxy.li
3sg def.wind.acc, that give.pres.subj health.acc good, hear.pres
Although Rina can be he or she, I take it to refer to Pfinnganngexi,
which would make it she
---
Rina nixpit, lo fiklito nganrekngepet, pinxyli
Rina nix.pit, lo fik.li.to ngan.reknge.pet, pinxy.li
3sg water.acc, which give.pres.subj aug.food.acc, hear.pres
---
Ngi ngupngyng paxsifiki nganpaxfenepfapat rinasak, lo pinxylito,
roksatli
Ngi ngupngyng pax.sifiki ngan.pax.fenepfa.pat rina.sak, lo pinxy.li.to,
roksat.li
Because distance opp.wanted aug.opp.happiness.acc 3sg.dat, that
listen.pres.subj, make.pres.ind
roksatli can also be translated as cause, or make to do/be. Adjectives
come after the noun they modify, as do relative phrases, which are
introduced by lo. (this is relevant for above lines as well)
---
Xinxin, pfop sototo pfinnganngexitik lysrulito pfyt pipinxy, ngengaliti.
Xin.xin, pfop soto.to pfin.ngan.ngexi.tik lysru.li.to pfyt pipinxy,
ngenga.li.ti.
1pl, that ear.pl def.aug.mother.gen be.pres.subj good listen.inf,
assert.pres.imp
The use of an imperative with the 1pl pronoun is much like in French,
where it represents the construction "let's (do something)"
---
Rina pfinsepfepet, lo fiklito fulerpet pfinxikilsik, lutli
Rina pfin.sepfe.pet, lo fik.li.to fuler.pet pfin.xikil.sik, lut.li
3sg def.tree.acc, which give.pres.subj strength.acc def.home.dat,
see.pres
xikil has the meaning of both house and home. =20
---
Rina pfintinxepet, lo kuxsuflito larsyspfapat ferykyng, lutli
Rina pfin.tinxe.pet, lo kuxsuf.li.to larsyspfa.pat fery.kyng, lut.li
3sg def.child.acc, which cover.pres.subj darkness.acc fear.inst,
see.pres
Neither I, Dennis, nor Irina (the two people ahead of me in the relay)
quite understand what this line is supposed to mean.
---
Rina pfinsypfilpit pfinpforfatak lyxxanxantak lutli
Rina pfin.sypfil.pit pfin.pforfa.tak lyxxan.xan.tak lut.li
3sg def.end.acc def.passion.gen lover.pl.gen see.pres
---
Xinxin, pfop tepfyfy pfinnganngexitik lysrulito pfyt lut, ngengaliti.
Xin.xin, pfop tepfy.fy pfin.ngan.ngexi.tik lysru.li.to pfyt lut,
ngenga.li.ti.
1pl, that eye.pl def.aug.mother.gen be.pres.subj good see.inf,
assert.pres
I would smoothly translate this into English as:
The Great Mother is the creator of this poem about the stories
She hears the wind which gives good health
She hears a river which gives much food
Because unwanted distance causes great unhappiness for She who listens
Let us declare that the Great Mother=92s ears are good at listening
She sees the tree (or wood) that strengthens the home
She sees the child who covers darkness with fear
She sees the end of lovers=92 passion
Let us declare that the Great Mother=92s eyes are good at seeing
--Nicole
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